On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 09:06:46AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 11:58:46AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 09:53:37AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > > I don't expect anyone to want to set up a non-free archive until a > > > decision is reached to remove non-free. Doing so would go a long way to > > > proving it is possible, and thus towards defeating their own preference. > > Huh? Why do you think the only people able to setup a non-free archive > > are ones that want to see it kept in Debian? > I did not say *able*. I said *want*. If you are going to argue with > me, please at least argue with what I actually stated. There are two classes of people who are able to setup nonfree.org. One is the class of people who like having non-free around in Debian. The other is the class of people who don't like having non-free around in Debian. If it's true that setting up a nonfree.org would "go a long way to proving it is possible [to separate non-free and Debian], and thus [go a long way] towards [getting non-free removed from Debian]", then they should want to setup such an archive. That's a basic utilitarian principle: the act of setting up non-free.org is a Good Thing if on balance the results are Good. > I have no interest in a non-free archive, and besides, if I find > something Debian is doing to be distasteful, what makes you think that > me doing it personally would be any less objectionable to me? You could set it up as a proof of concept, then offer to hand the keys over later. > Now then, I don't see a contradiction at all. For those people that > value non-free, I can suggest an alternative solution that would make > them happy, and which I find *LESS* objectionable than having non-free > as part of Debian. That is, to me, a gain. The problem is the only people who think it'd make them happy are the ones that don't think non-free is any good at all -- and on a personal level, they seem to be of the opinion that they'd personally find nonfree.org annoying too. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <aj@humbug.org.au> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred. Linux.conf.au 2004 -- Because we can. http://conf.linux.org.au/ -- Jan 12-17, 2004
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