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Re: Another Non-Free Proposal

On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 09:06:46AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 11:58:46AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 08, 2004 at 09:53:37AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> > > I don't expect anyone to want to set up a non-free archive until a
> > > decision is reached to remove non-free.  Doing so would go a long way to
> > > proving it is possible, and thus towards defeating their own preference.
> > Huh? Why do you think the only people able to setup a non-free archive
> > are ones that want to see it kept in Debian?
> I did not say *able*.  I said *want*.  If you are going to argue with
> me, please at least argue with what I actually stated.

There are two classes of people who are able to setup nonfree.org. One is
the class of people who like having non-free around in Debian. The other
is the class of people who don't like having non-free around in Debian.
If it's true that setting up a nonfree.org would "go a long way to proving
it is possible [to separate non-free and Debian], and thus [go a long way]
towards [getting non-free removed from Debian]", then they should want to
setup such an archive.

That's a basic utilitarian principle: the act of setting up non-free.org
is a Good Thing if on balance the results are Good.

> I have no interest in a non-free archive, and besides, if I find
> something Debian is doing to be distasteful, what makes you think that
> me doing it personally would be any less objectionable to me?

You could set it up as a proof of concept, then offer to hand the keys over

> Now then, I don't see a contradiction at all.  For those people that
> value non-free, I can suggest an alternative solution that would make
> them happy, and which I find *LESS* objectionable than having non-free
> as part of Debian.  That is, to me, a gain.

The problem is the only people who think it'd make them happy are the ones
that don't think non-free is any good at all -- and on a personal level,
they seem to be of the opinion that they'd personally find nonfree.org
annoying too.


Anthony Towns <aj@humbug.org.au> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/>
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               Linux.conf.au 2004 -- Because we can.
           http://conf.linux.org.au/ -- Jan 12-17, 2004

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