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Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 11:34:20AM -0700, John H. Robinson, IV wrote:
> the proposal uses Condorcet as a standard, and tries to add Quota and
> Supermajority options in a way that does not break Condorcet.

"breaking" Condorcet isn't a meaningful thing to say. Adding quorum and
supermajority obviously produce different outcomes to Cloneproof SSD --
if they didn't, there'd be no point adding them. They don't necessarily
choose the Condorcet winner either, but that's a feature, not a bug.

> the way that Quota is handled does break Condorcet, by allowing a winner
> that is not the Ideal Democratic Winner. my amendment fixes that issue.

That's nice, but "Ideal Democracy" is not the only thing we're trying
to optimise here. We're also trying to get some stability (that's
supermajority), adequate review (that's quorum), and decisiveness (not
treating the default option in a Condorcet manner).

> > Likewise, the quorum requirement is made on a per-option basis
> > specifically to ensure that there's no bias in the system -- that is,
> > there's no incentive not to vote for an option you like, because that
> > would in any way make it more likely for an option you dislike to win.
> it inherently biases the default option. my amendment removes that bias.
> may i assume that you beleive all voters support the default option in
> all cases?

Huh? The "default option" isn't something that can be meaningfully
supported in the same sense that resolutions and amendments are
supported. It's what happens when the vote fails to choose a winner,
nothing more. It doesn't need support to win, it needs all the other
options to _not_ have adequate support to win -- that's what defaulting
an election means, afaics.


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