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Re: Proposed General Resolution : IRC as a Debian communication channel

>>>>> "Raphael" == Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> writes:

    Raphael> Le Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 12:34:36PM +1000, Anthony Towns
    Raphael> écrivait:
    >> Obviously Debian's the sort of project where there're going to
    >> be a bunch of people who won't accept that, for whatever
    >> reasons, but it strikes me as a bad idea to go around
    >> officially ratifying everything that's common sense to most
    >> people.

    Raphael> Great, I'm glad to hear that what I said is only common
    Raphael> sense. Now if you can convince the operator in question
    Raphael> to respect that common sense, i may have no problem
    Raphael> stopping here with the GR.

The silly thing is of course that your resolution isn't sufficient to
make it clear whether Branden is being reasonable by kicking people
off the channel.  You simply require that standard Debian policies
would apply, but it's not clear that any such policies exist or would
prevent Branden from kicking off non-developers.

Yes, most Debian lists are public.  First, note that there are Debian
lists that are non-public--more than just debian-private.  Second note
that the list creation template allows for the creation of private
lists.  Yes the listmasters probably tend to reject such requests
without justification, but I think that it is sufficiently unclear
what is policy, what is common practice, etc that this resolution will
leave us in a strictly worse situation than we find ourselves in

Perhaps the effort on -private failed because it was handled badly.
I'd suggest trying to get consensus on small points.  For example, try
to get consensun on what level of agreement within the channel is
required to kick people off.  You might find that you could get people
to agree that kicking someone off that a significant fraction of the
people on the channel want around is considered rude and thus
shouldn't be done.  You might find that kicking people off with any
objection at all from developers on the channel is considered rude.
If you can't get consensus on any of these points--not even on a
mininum level of agreement is required to get rid of someone then why
do you think you will do better with a GR?

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