Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On Saturday, 11 June 2022 05:39:22 EDT gene heskett wrote:
> On Saturday, 11 June 2022 00:49:57 EDT David Wright wrote:
> > On Fri 10 Jun 2022 at 08:44:22 (+0000), Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 07:53:20PM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, 9 June 2022 18:49:40 EDT Andy Smith wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 05:15:28PM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> > > > > > So 26th reinstall attempt, following David's instructs to do
> > > > > > an
> > > > > > ssh
> > > > > > from another machine to install
> > > > >
> > > > > So can we see the copy and paste of this first screen that you
> > > > > have
> > > > > a problem with?
> > > >
> > > > yes, the list server for debian-user see's the attachment and
> > > > apparently sends the whole msg to /dev/null. Neither msg has come
> > > > back in aound 6 hours.
> > > >
> > > > > > So, how to I do a text copy/paste from that .png so I can
> > > > > > insert the
> > > > > > cogent parts of the text in an email msg?
> > > > >
> > > > > I recommend not doing that at all and going with the text mode
> > > > > over
> > > > > SSH, because you are never going to be able to get non-text
> > > > > attachments to this list and it just seems harder in general.
> > > >
> > > > Thats what I thought I was doing, by opening a konsole on the
> > > > client
> > > > machine, but when I saved the screenshot, it was a png. x was
> > > > running on the client machine, so there needs to be a method to
> > > > make it text also. The installer was started in expert text mode,
> > > > but ssh apparently overrides that somehow when it finds x running
> > > > on the client. Should I have been running the client w/o x or
> > > > wayland? I am not even sure how to switch vt's away from x to
> > > > whatever #2 or #3 is called.
> > >
> > > Ctrl-alt-F1, F2 I think
> >
> > Keystrokes like these are appropriate both for a locally running
> > graphical installer, and for an installation running X (can't speak
> > for Wayland), but not for the combination of a text installer on a
> > target machine being controlled from a client running X. You can
> > run the installer and several shells on the target machine from
> > the client, without requiring any unusual interactions beyond what
> > you normally do when you run X.
> >
> > But I can't tell Gene the individual keystrokes and mouse movements
> > to
> > make, as he's using weird things like TDE, konsole, and kmail, that
> > I've never seen or used.
> >
> > > Part of this at least is why I suggested using text mode install
> > > directly on the machine if you could.
> >
> > AFAIK, there's no way of recording the screens if you use text mode
> > locally, rather than remotely. Hence the instructions I have been
> > posting. However, it's difficult to write those instructions for
> > someone to follow when it appears that they have forgotten how
> > to cut and paste text from a terminal screen into a file or an
> > editor's buffer, or think that you can cut and paste from a PNG.
> >
That limit is very easy to see, there is no mouse in those remote text
screens to use to highlight what you might want to paste into nano and
keep. Or is there some other method I've forgotten since I did my first
install in late '98, on a 400 mhz k6 from the floppies in the red hat 5.0
book? A machine I built from parts. So is this one FWIW.
> > > Graphical expert mode would probably work as well and you could
> > > save
> > > the screenshots but I prefer completely text mode to be sure not to
> > > load problematic graphics.
What good are screenshots so big they can't be posted?
> > But using screenshots then opens a debate on where they are stored,
> > why they disappear when posted here, how big they are, which software
> > to use to reduce their size, how to use pastebins (and whether people
> > will bother to look at them when not inline), and how to quote them.
> >
> > As I've been installing Debian in text mode since the days when the
> > d-i's part 1 came on five floppies, I've never felt the need. I just
> > tried an 11.3 i386 netinst USB stick on an old Acer laptop, selected
> > graphical expert mode, and got a text screen. Memory limitation
> > (512MB) I suppose, or it doesn't like the graphics card (Radeon).
>
> That didn't boot, but reverted to the old problematic boot, twice. Then
> I recalled once before that since I'd done it to one big, full drive,
> and grub is the ast thing installed, its probably too far into the
> drive and grub can't find its boot files.
>
> So I'm about to repartition the drive for a 12 or 13G /boot as a
> seperate partition and make a 27th attempt.
> Something like this from fdisk /dev/sdd, then p
> Command (m for help): p
> Disk /dev/sdd: 931.51 GiB, 1000204886016 bytes, 1953525168 sectors
> Disk model: Samsung SSD 870
> Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> Disklabel type: gpt
> Disk identifier: 9CEFADE5-AA85-4242-8630-5CA906D8DDB3
>
> Device Start End Sectors Size Type
> /dev/sdd1 2048 27351039 27348992 13G Linux filesystem
> /dev/sdd2 27351040 154478591 127127552 60.6G Linux swap
> /dev/sdd3 154478592 1953523711 1799045120 857.9G Linux filesystem
>
> Which ought to keep grub's stuff within reach. And it should stop it
> from using a slower swap file too, not that this current setup with
> 32G of dram uses much swap unless I screw up with OpenSCAD.
>
> And I'd better get to it, I'm running out of uptime since nut doesn't
> like no permissions to access /dev/ttyUSB1, and heyu doesn't like being
> locked out of /dev/ttyUSB0 for the same rediculous reason. Right now
> their cables are unplugged to prevent the automatic braile install w/o
> asking.
>
> And nobody can tell me, and grep can't find it, what udev rule sets the
> permissions on ttyUSB serial ports. Making heyu and nut members of
> group root SHOULD NOT BE REQUIRED. Nor should a root session be
> required to reset the perms on those 2 devices as part of a reboot
> setup, it takes me 20+ minutes even with scripts driving my network
> setup everytime I reboot. I'm short one machine that didn't survive a
> power glitch yesterday morning in this df report:
> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
> udev 16360160 0 16360160 0% /dev
> tmpfs 3274336 1592 3272744 1% /run
> /dev/sda5 286294368 12318980 259359428 5% /
> tmpfs 16371672 17328 16354344 1% /dev/shm
> tmpfs 5120 4 5116 1% /run/lock
> /dev/sda1 1020896 61224 889632 7% /boot
> /dev/sda6 95534500 2280532 88354848 3% /var
> /dev/sda7 95541668 108 90642080 1% /tmp
> /dev/md0p1 1796382580 220867652 1484189952 13% /home
> tmpfs 3274332 3952 3270380 1% /run/user/1000
> gene@GO704:/ 28704676 11867328 15356184 44% /sshnet/GO704
> pi@rpi4:/ 61064956 21624400 36877792 37% /sshnet/rpi4
> gene@dddprint:/ 99795040 5095124 89584372 6% /sshnet/dddprint
> gene@sixty40:/ 235203512 15272432 207913672 7% /sshnet/sixty40
> But I'd better get to it. And find out if it will reboot to the new
> drive when I'm finished.
Which, see my previous post, failed, it won't set the bootable flag. Does
anyone know why?
Thanks David.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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