On 2021-08-18 12:57 p.m., Brian wrote: > On Wed 18 Aug 2021 at 14:27:13 +0200, deloptes wrote: > >> Jonathan Dowland wrote: >> >>> I think the way forward this time would be to request one on the >>> official Debian mailing list server, rather than elsewhere. But, >>> such a list will only serve its purpose if it gets used *instead* >>> of off-topic conversations on this list. Does anyone think that >>> d-community-offtopic served that purpose? My general feeling is >>> things are worse now than they were when d-community-offtopic was >>> around and active, but I'm not sure that this is causation. >> >> I do not think it will work, because it is against the logic how >> communication work. We communicate in the same channel and go off topic and >> then back to topic. It is not natural to change list because something goes >> off topic. > > A decent argument. Put with the observation that off-topic in > a -user thread can rapidly escalate, the idea of a separate > "sin-bin" list is a non-starter. Also, it did not work in the > past. > >> I am also sorry for triggering some of the off topic here, but I am getting >> annoyed from time to time by peoples attitude as well. There are >> some "morally superior" users that try to impose their views. However I >> prefer to stop as soon as possible to reduce the damage. >> I hope this list stays as is and people just learn to respect each other >> (and "plonk" as little as possible). > > I hope so too. There is nothing wrong with some degree of social > inreraction on the list; it might be said to grease the wheels. > But think of the user who submits a technical query and those who > attempt to address it. Would an influx of posts on AA batteries, > 300 baud modems and short-term memory be seen as being respectful > to *those* users? > > I am not suggesting that a touch of off-topic should necessarily > be seen as disrespectful, but as a present campaign in the UK has > it - Whem the Fun Stops Stop. > > Perhaps, in the final analysis, it doesn't matter. The good ship > debian-user will continue to naviagte the choppy seas of Community > assistance and support for Debian users. > You seem pretty good a drawing a line between *good* and *bad*, always putting yourself on the *good* side. What if ? What if there wasn't any *bad* user ? You are the one bringing over old subject that you consider off-topic. You seem really touched by giving your self a role as governor of a mailing list or policing what's acceptable and not. But don't seem to understand that the community itself made the choice of having this list un-moderated. That is, the people chose that it will remain like this. Even if they ain't with all the good technical genius expertise you have. That's what was decided. So maybe it's time you just accept it... -- Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside -Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development
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