Re: Debian commercial support.
On 3/30/2014 12:20 AM, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 03/29/2014 09:29 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 3/29/2014 6:19 PM, Ric Moore wrote:
>>> On 03/28/2014 08:29 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> On 3/28/2014 6:42 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>>>>> On 29/03/14 01:11, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/28/2014 6:35 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 28/03/14 21:08, Joel Rees wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Jerry Stuckle
>>>>>>>> <jstuckle@attglobal.net
>>>>>>>> <mailto:jstuckle@attglobal.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/26/2014 8:25 AM, John Hasler wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jerry Stuckle writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Debian consultants don't necessarily know how to
>>>>>>>> properly
>>>>>>>> set up and
>>>>>>>> maintain an e-commerce web site - it's a very
>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>> animal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Debian consultants *should* know how to set up a Debian site. This
>>>>>>> *is*
>>>>>>> a Debian list. And the listed consultants is moderated. Unlike
>>>>>>> numerous
>>>>>>> lists of so-called consultants without provenance, verifiable
>>>>>>> company
>>>>>>> status, unknown liability coverage, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Debian consultants listed on the Debian sites as supporting
>>>>>>> ecommerce
>>>>>>> (websites etc) *should* know how to setup Debian sites for
>>>>>>> ecommerce.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Setting up a Debian site is far different than setting up an
>>>>>> e-commerce
>>>>>> site.
>>>>>
>>>>> And?
>>>>> So?
>>>>> What?
>>>>>
>>>>> Many e-commerce sites *are* pure Debian.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Show me exactly what Debian packages are required to set up an
>>>> ecommerce
>>>> site. Complete and ready to go, of course.
>>>
>>> Again, as I mentioned before, for a complete and ready to go working
>>> site, use Proxmox and Turnkey Linux. Proxmox installs to bare
metal, and
>>> from it's interface chose from several HUNDRED canned websites that
>>> merely require you add your password to the admin account. It doesn't
>>> get any easier than that. And, as the added plus, they are all Debian
>>> Wheezy based. But, you will not be running a desktop AND a website,
>>> although you can run just about any distro via KVM within the Proxmox
>>> running site. Journey to youtube and search on Proxmox. I'm a complete
>>> idiot and I had my site up and running 5 containers in 30 minutes from
>>> complete bare install. What was rocket science is now easy peasy. Ric
>>>
>>
>> Proxmox is not an ecommerce package. And Turnkey Linux is not a "pure
>> debian solution".
>
>
> I think it might be better for Scott to decide, don't you? Proxmox is
> the base to install ecommerce packages onto, which Turnkey provides.
> Promox and Standard Turnkey packages are built on Debian Wheezy and both
> uses Debian for security updates, etc. So, how is it not "pure"? It's
> practically stock.
>
Nope. It is not a "pure Debian solution". Scott can't change that.
> If he wants a "shopping cart":
> TomatoCart: http://www.turnkeylinux.org/tomatocart
> Online Shop osCommerce: http://www.turnkeylinux.org/oscommerce
> Zen Cart: http://www.turnkeylinux.org/zencart
> PrestaShop: http://www.turnkeylinux.org/prestashop
> Magneto: http://www.turnkeylinux.org/magento
>
I don't know if any of those carts will work for his product, interface
to his credit card processor or use the large amount of data he
indicated he already had.
> If he wants to install CRM, there are about 5 to chose from. There's
> over a hundred other packages as well. They all run on the Proxmox
> installed base server, each in it's own VM, and by adding a second,
> third, and more servers, you create a cluster and with that you can
> graduate to adding NAS, and APC fencing to monitor everything. It's free
> to the taking. And all of it Debian Wheezy based. On top of that you
> have KVM as well.
>
And you expect someone with no experience to be able to install all of
this on a shared host?
> I'm running WordPress and ownCloud on our server. Our staff can post
> files to ourCloud and I can link to the content in our website. I alone
> have access to WordPress, but files that are linked to within the
> website can be updated by staff, who have login priv to ourCloud, and it
> all runs on the same Promox server. I have more containers running that
> can only be accessed via our localnet, while Wordpress and ownCloud can
> be accessed both via localnet and the Internet via NAT through the
router.
>
Good for you. Now - is this the "pure Debian solution" Scott said was
available?
> I am a perfect idiot, which might get some people's panties bunched as
> I'm not paying huge sums to get such things running with mostly mouse
> clicks and setting a password. Linux isn't SCARY any more. It's easier
> than running a Windows server. I haven't had to touch Apache!
>
I could say that is pretty obvious from your previous comments.
> But, if you need your hand held, Proxmox support runs about a grand a
> year, depending on the usual caveats. I actually have fun with it, for a
> change. My two cents, Ric
>
>
Which once again is not the "pure Debian solution" Scott indicated was
available. And do you KNOW this will fit the OP's requirements, is
within the OP's capabilities and will work with the OP's existing data?
If so, your crystal ball is a lot better than mine. I don't give
recommendations until I know the facts.
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