Re: Web site conformance and various browsers
Le 17.11.2014 14:45, songbird a écrit :
sometimes i have issues with a website and i cannot
tell if it is a problem with the browser or a problem
with the website. obviously i am not a website
developer so this sort of issue isn't clear where i
need to poke at things more...
are there any tools available which help sort that
out (like one that says "This page conforms to
standards X and Y, but violates a for this part") etc.?
most the time i use Iceweasel (most current versions
available in testing, sid or experimental) or Midori.
Midori seems to do better and I'm not sure why as i
thought that it used the same basic infrastructure as
Iceweasel.
any web developers who struggle with this and if I'm
missing something obvious (like use a different browser
like Opera or ...)?
thanks!
songbird
The problem with website compatibility can come from lot of problems:
_ I'm not sure that HTML5 is fully supported by all upstream engines
(see below)
_ it will depends on a browser's configuration, especially about
JavaScript (JS) because a huge quantity of websites are... hum... just
bloated with that kind of crap. So, plug-ins like adware, or
configuration which disables JS can avoid having the same behavior. You
can have the same kind of problems with cookies (accepting only a site's
cookies avoid things like hotmail to work, and I've seen other ones).
_ sites will often voluntarily try to behave differently depending on
the browser, in a good start intent, but hell is made of such good
intents...
_ sites will sometimes employ specific things of a browser.
About the last point, if it is made correctly, it might not be detected
by stuff like w3c's validator.
Otherwise, just for your information:
The problem is not the browser, but the rendering engine behind it.
Firefox/iceweasel is based on gecko (and AFAIK it's the only gecko
user), while midori, chrome, and a ton of other ones are based on webkit
(to be really more accurate, chrome is based on blink, a fork of webkit.
Hopefully this fork might help to not see a new kind of IE era, but I'm
pessimistic on that, without real reasons).
Even recent opera (starting to version >= 13) versions are based on
webkit, so we can currently see more or less 3 major competitors:
_ IE
_ webkit/blink (I have no idea about how much blink differs from
webkit, but seriously, if there is only safari using webkit, webkit will
just die)
_ gecko
PS: when I think about how crappy all of this is, and that I remember
that many people said me that websites runs in the same way everywhere,
I just laugh. I try to remember it everyday, since there is a rumor
which says that laughing 5min per day is good for health, hehe
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