Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis: >> >> after spending two days trying unsuccesfuly to have a usable Jessie >> with one of the defaults DE and with no systemd utilities, i decided >> the following. In the companie's pc's i support, i'll continue with >> Wheezy and if there is no a clear path to Jessie without a trace of >> systemd until Wheezy's support lifetime then bye - bye Debian. >Good luck finding *any* distro with a current Gnome that does not >depend >on systemd. http://www.funtoo.org/Welcome : GNOME 3.12 (without systemd, because that's how we roll.) as far i can tell, gnome3 is not my thing. >I really don't get why Debian receives so much hate in this discussion. >Upstream software depending on systemd is not Debian's choice. I do recall times when Debian had quite stubborn discussions (still lasting, btw) with upstream about questions not really worth it. Don't think it has earned hate though, but a bit more resistance wouldn't have hurt. And a project of that size would be heard it it speaks up (it's not just a few derivates of Debian where the users complain bout down-your-throat-systemd in the according fora). But in general i agree: staying friendly would be better. I guess that was your point.
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