Re: End of hypocrisy ?
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Slavko <linux@slavino.sk> wrote:
> Dňa Tue, 05 Aug 2014 00:37:06 +1000 Andrew McGlashan
> <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> napísal:
>> On 4/08/2014 11:32 PM, Tom H wrote:
>>> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 6:37 AM, Andrew McGlashan
>>> <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> systemd gives faster boot times, so what! I prefer to boot less
>>>> often and run with what works until I /have/ to do a reboot, so it
>>>> wouldn't matter if it took 10 times as long to boot. Improving
>>>> boot times is just like overclocking for games, it is largely
>>>> irrelevant and something to boast about ... ie, no real benefit.
>>>
>>> Boot speed might not be an important feature for you but for
>>> organizations with 1000s of servers, the faster the better.
>>
>> Sure it counts, but if you have 1000s of servers, you likely have many
>> other considerations and you'll be pooling [at least] those servers
>> in a cluster type arrangement ... much lessening the need for any
>> machine to startup so quickly.
>
> And this is IMO main point of the problem. I have no 1000 servers and i
> will not boot my machine any 2 min, to take advantage from faster
> boot ;-)
Since you don't care about boot speed, you shouldn't care that your
system boots faster.
> And it is the point where to business take precedence before freedom of
> choice (the boot system in this case). The systemd is forced (as
> dependency) by the policykit and perhaps some X software, then it
> switch from default to only one!
Luckily for you, there's a horrible corporation called Canonical that
employs a developer who put together systemd-shim and another
developer who put together cgmanager for you to be able to use logind
and policykit/polkit without having to use systemd as pid 1.
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