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Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 08:17:05 -0400
The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> wrote:

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> On 07/20/2014 05:17 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > Am Sonntag, 20. Juli 2014, 11:00:15 schrieb David Baron:
> > 
> >> How safe are these on new 64bit system (dist-upgraded to Sid)?
> > 
> > Which do you mean by "these"?
> I'd imagine he means "upgrades to systemd, specifically to the
> versions of systemd et cetera which are in sid".
> I haven't tried it myself, or read any reports from people who have,
> but just based on general experience with sid I'd default to a
> response of "don't try it unless you're willing to fix whatever may
> break manually, including possibly reinstalling Debian". There are
> reasons sid is also called unstable.

Indeed. At this very moment I'm reinstalling sid on my netbook, where
my mobile dongle stopped working after an upgrade and apparently now
requires systemd in order for ModemManager to work without being invoked
manually, and either way was killing nm-applet. Claws was almost
unusably unstable, while exactly the same version runs fine (or as fine
as Claws ever runs) on my sid workstation, which does not use systemd,
but doesn't need a dongle. It used to work OK on the netbook, before
the last massive and rather overdue upgrade (~450MB). That's just too
much to even think of rolling back.

I've done a few package reinstalls and reconfigures, and decided I'm
never going to track down either of these problems, so it's new sid
time. I have an external hard drive with a sid installation which runs
fine on the netbook, eliminating some possibilities, and I'm now very
wary of upgrading that. It's not as out-of-date as the netbook was,
and already uses systemd as pid 1. Both Claws and Network Manager are
OK on it, so there's no simple explanation.

There have been several other niggles as well, sid seems to have been
more troublesome in the last six months than in several years before
that. On the other hand, systemd is a bit like global warming, getting
blamed for everything that goes wrong...


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