On Vi, 18 iul 14, 21:32:10, Tom Furie wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 05:44:37PM +0100, Brian wrote:
>
> > I have no testing install to hand at the moment so perhaps you could
> > list these packages for us. Please indicate the ones for which there is
> > no "real need".
>
> Here is a fairly naive list of packages which have a hard dependency on
> packages which have a hard dependency on systemd. The items beginning at
> column one are the packages which depend on systemd, the items indented
> beneath "Reverse Depends:" are the packages which depend on that
> package. By "hard dependency" I have excluded packages that only make a
> recommendation/suggestion or offer an alternative. I have also removed
> anything that is systemd-specific.
>
> There are a few items that make me wonder what the next level of the
> tree would look like, but I think that would be a bit unwieldy for the
> list so haven't checked.
>
> libpam-systemd
> Reverse Depends:
> udisks2
> policykit-1
> network-manager
> lightdm
> gnome-bluetooth
> gdm3
These are all quite obvious: libpam-systemd is necessary for them to
interact with systemd-logind, which is part of the systemd package. The
alternative (ConsoleKit) is unmaintained and nobody has stepped up to
pick up its maintenance.
systemd-shim is also falling behind, the package in sid already dropped
it as alternative to systemd-sysv. In practice this means that using any
of the above in sid (and soon also testing) requires booting with
systemd, unless somebody provides an alternative.
To anybody wanting a systemd-free Debian, this is The Opportunity to
step up and provide an alternative.
> sogo
False positive
Depends: tmpreaper | systemd
> lighttpd
False positive
Depends: lsb-base | systemd
> gnome-settings-daemon
> Reverse Depends:
> gnome-core
> indicator-session
> gnome-shell
> gnome-session
> gnome-power-manager
> gnome-session-flashback
> gnome-packagekit-session
> gnome-music
> gnome-control-center
> gdm3
I'm guessing gnome-settings-daemon can be used to configure systemd. It
might be possible to demote this to a Recommends, assuming somebody is
willing to make sure it *continues* to work correctly without systemd
installed.
However, since Gnome more or less depends on systemd anyway there's
probably little incentive for anyone to work on this. Also, I'm quite
positive most Gnome users won't be bothered by the systemd dependency
anyway.
Kind regards,
Andrei
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