On Vi, 18 iul 14, 21:32:10, Tom Furie wrote: > On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 05:44:37PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > I have no testing install to hand at the moment so perhaps you could > > list these packages for us. Please indicate the ones for which there is > > no "real need". > > Here is a fairly naive list of packages which have a hard dependency on > packages which have a hard dependency on systemd. The items beginning at > column one are the packages which depend on systemd, the items indented > beneath "Reverse Depends:" are the packages which depend on that > package. By "hard dependency" I have excluded packages that only make a > recommendation/suggestion or offer an alternative. I have also removed > anything that is systemd-specific. > > There are a few items that make me wonder what the next level of the > tree would look like, but I think that would be a bit unwieldy for the > list so haven't checked. > > libpam-systemd > Reverse Depends: > udisks2 > policykit-1 > network-manager > lightdm > gnome-bluetooth > gdm3 These are all quite obvious: libpam-systemd is necessary for them to interact with systemd-logind, which is part of the systemd package. The alternative (ConsoleKit) is unmaintained and nobody has stepped up to pick up its maintenance. systemd-shim is also falling behind, the package in sid already dropped it as alternative to systemd-sysv. In practice this means that using any of the above in sid (and soon also testing) requires booting with systemd, unless somebody provides an alternative. To anybody wanting a systemd-free Debian, this is The Opportunity to step up and provide an alternative. > sogo False positive Depends: tmpreaper | systemd > lighttpd False positive Depends: lsb-base | systemd > gnome-settings-daemon > Reverse Depends: > gnome-core > indicator-session > gnome-shell > gnome-session > gnome-power-manager > gnome-session-flashback > gnome-packagekit-session > gnome-music > gnome-control-center > gdm3 I'm guessing gnome-settings-daemon can be used to configure systemd. It might be possible to demote this to a Recommends, assuming somebody is willing to make sure it *continues* to work correctly without systemd installed. However, since Gnome more or less depends on systemd anyway there's probably little incentive for anyone to work on this. Also, I'm quite positive most Gnome users won't be bothered by the systemd dependency anyway. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt
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