Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0
On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 01:43 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> > >> Not really, you at least need to manually add a link, regarding
> > >> to the different program names.
> > >
> > > I never did, and never had to. It works fine.
> >
> > Just because you're using software that doesn't use this software
> > as dependency.
>
> I don't know what you are talking about.
Read the mails or rephrase your question. I don't understand your
question. It's about another conflict that does need a workaround _for
Debian/Ubuntu too_.
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -l /usr/bin/matedialog
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Aug 18 18:06 /usr/bin/matedialog -> zenity
Some software for Mate does launch matedialog and some software for
GNOME (or other GTK based DEs) does use zenity. IOW you not only need
the above link, but also a dummy package.
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ sudo ntpdate ntp.favey.ch && sudo pacman -S
mate-dialogs
12 Oct 09:58:25 ntpdate[2931]: adjust time server 195.34.89.227 offset
0.007741 sec
warning: downgrading package mate-dialogs (2013.08.18-1 => 1.6.0-2)
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...
:: mate-dialogs and zenity are in conflict. Remove zenity? [y/N]
And again and again and again, it's an issue caused by upstream, not by
Arch Linux, the situation for Debian/Ubuntu is the same! There might be
package maintainers who maintain some Mate packages for Debian not
following upstream, this could solve some issues, but not those similar
to the matedialog issue.
On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 02:20 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> > https://github.com/mate-desktop/archlinux-packages
>
> >From the linked page: mate-file-archiver: Removed any packages from
> the 'depends' that are pulled in via gtk2. 24 days ago
>
> Looks to me like they fixed the conflict in Arch. You have no leg to
> stand on with this one. Also, that's Arch. The Debian version does
> not have this problem.
No, it's not an official Arch repository and the dependencies are from
upstream, should I repeat this again and again?
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ sudo ntpdate ntp.favey.ch && sudo pacman -S mate-file-archiver
12 Oct 09:41:45 ntpdate[2868]: adjust time server 195.34.89.227 offset -0.439659 sec
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...
:: mate-file-archiver and file-roller are in conflict. Remove file-roller? [y/N]
On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 02:21 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> > https://github.com/mate-desktop/debian-packages
> > -->
> > https://github.com/mate-desktop/debian-packages/tree/master/mate-file-archiver
> These are irrelevant. mate-file-archiver does not exist anymore, and
> engrampa is optional.
Github is obsolete? Can you post up-to-date links to upstream?
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ sudo ntpdate ntp.favey.ch && sudo pacman -S mate-file-archiver
12 Oct 10:04:31 ntpdate[2945]: adjust time server 195.34.89.227 offset -0.005115 sec
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...
:: mate-file-archiver and file-roller are in conflict. Remove
file-roller? [y/N]
However, even if some things should be solved by packages for what ever
distro, then there are maintainers who do a lot of work, to ensure that
the packages can be installed, whatever packages else are installed and
they need to take care that this doesn't change with an update. People
started to drop GNOME 3 and to search for a GNOME replacement, because
it was GNOME's policy to do similar insane things. I chose old Debian
stable, because they didn't make pulseaudio a hard dependency for GNOME
2. It was somebody like you Mark, who informed me about this, but he was
mistaken. When I needed to upgrade old stable, right after installing
it, because it was too outdated, pulseaudio became a hard dependency.
IOW even GNOME, where upstream fulfills basic rules regarding to
dependencies (conflicts) does cause issues, even by Debian packages.
However, the subject is "Installing Cinnamon 2.0" and not Mate.
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