Re: oh no something is definitly wrong adieu debian.
Hi Zeenan,
Yes I did this move an the 'less used' server, not really crash'n'burn
but still ok to try yhr move there first.
Yes I used gnome-classic-2D
I used minimalist gnome setup, only 1 main-panel on the right, no
workspace, no other pannel
I have a permenant vnc session on the server (trusted network) and I
do most of the tiny things with GUI, else cui for stuff like NW,
iscsi, etc...
Yes I choose ubuntu as the less disorientating choice after many many
years on debian, next chice would have been mint, etc...
I don't go xfce because again I have very litle time to customize
thing, and learning how to script XFCE is out of my time bufget though
I exploded it with vnc on debian :)
What I liked with old gnome, was the custom can be done without
learning anything, drag drop panels, click on color that suite you,
focus follow mouse was trivial, etc....
Well I learn a bit about gconf editor and I am about done on ubuntu...
So I wait a bit see if I can stay on debian (my prefered choice for
historical reasons)
Thanx for your help.
Cheers,
Phi
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
> On 8/27/13, Phi Debian <phi.debian@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I use debian and gnome since well the begining...
>> I have it on many nodes, but specially on some server, where many guests
>> run.
>> I was on squeeze sine the begining of squeeze, and decided to try wheezy.
>
>
> Ubuntu is Debian snapshot, so much of muchness...
>
> In both cases, GUI is choosable.
>
> You install server with Unity/Gnome3 ?
>
> For server, perhaps simpler XFCE4?
>
> Or add custom repo and install Cinnamon or MATE desktops - there was a
> big thread on just that here on debian-user in the last month I
> think...
>
> There are many lightweight window managers, simple and complex
> toolbars - just mix and match for a lightweight server gui yes?
>
> I went to Ubuntu first in 6.04, then 8.04, then never happy to upgrade
> from there, so came back to Debian recently (last year), because of
> Unity interface I don't like.
>
> So now I use XFCE4. There are some dissatisfactory things these days.
> Gnome2 just worked - and I could customize it in just the way I
> wanted. But XFCE with some scripts and things here and there, and it's
> acceptable. This is primary workstation.
>
> For my various servers, I install _no_ gui. All remote admin.
>
> If I had a physical server with eg VGA console, I would either just go
> framebuffer and terminal, or *possibly* xfce. Really, server terminal
> should be extremely temporary and brief affair - just enough to get
> networking back up when you firetruck up, and get back to your primary
> admin workstation. At least, that's how I do things... or would do
> things if I had a server with a console :) I keep my server
> networking as simple and/ or static as possible though .. to minimise
> physical access requirements to server; common sense.
>
>> All the upgrade went smooth, and all worked like a charm, so thank you
>> for all the people who made this possible.
>>
>> I can cope with the questionable gdm3 and all things around, but doing
>> GUI on the rudimentary VGA is not the main purpose of this server, yet
>> it worked, so no problem related with HW graphical board FW.
>>
>> I start a vnc server for my account (vnc4server), and do the setup of
>> xstart the various way, the simplest being starting the gnome-session
>> in there.
>>
>> Then right click on top-panel-->property, color setup plain solid, and
>> kaboom, your vnc session is no longer available , oh no message
>> anybody knows by now, goolge it and it give massive useless solutions.
>
> Since you are talking server, and VNC, then have you disabled 3D,
> disabled effects etc? I don't know, I don't run GUI on servers, but if
> I did, that would be first thing I would do, if I for some strange
> reason ended up with a "modern" desktop on my server :)
>
>> I tried all sort of trick givin on the net, rm user account redo (that
>> works I can re start a vnc server and connect) yet still panel setup
>> crash, I tried all sort of things with dbus, socket, install tons of
>> useless packages.
>
> Did you try different vnc servers? eg tightvncserver? x11vnc?
> Did you try different vnc clients? there are a few.
>
>> Well, desesperate and after loosing a full day on it, I tried ubuntu,
>> and it cure. It come with its load of problems too, unity and all that
>> jazz, but all is workable around in a hour, going back to gnome
>> classic is doable.
>>
>> So I think it is an adieu for debian It is miserable
>
> I agree - it would be _very_ miserable day to have to leave Debian.
> When I came back last year, it was like coming home to parents for
> Christmas after many years away... too many years away..
>
>> Well may be this is just the end of an era, may be only .com can
>> produce valid OS and .org is fading, sad day.
>
> Just a bug from sound of it. Probably fixed in a week. If high
> importance/ money value servers, then perhaps you could find a
> Debian-support contract company?
>
>> I still have another server to setup, I'll monitor the activity here
>
> You do have test deployment-equivalent server don't you? Or some test
> environment for testing your upgrades?
>
> Anyway Phi, good luck
> Zenaan
>
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