Re: Outrageous Xenophobia. Was: Outrageous sexism. Was: Re: Mail client, threads, etc...

[Titanus Eramius <titanus@aptget.dk>]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:45:52 +0100
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 16:28 +0100, Titanus Eramius wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:28:04 +0100
> > Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > <snip>
> > 
> > > IMO nothing can be bad with a joke about men, women, Germans, Jews
> > > etc., it becomes bad if people have got bad intentions. Tony has
> > > got a bad intention or he's serious sick and not aware about the
> > > difference of the order to kill people and what happened on this
> > > list.
> > 
> > But Tonys joke is funny, and I don't really like being called sick
> > because I like it. How can one say others don't have humor, and then
> > react like this on a joke?
> > 
> > Not that I need to explain [a little of] my humor in this regard
> > ("black humor" as we call it in Denmark), but it's funny because of
> > how sick it is, and it serves to remind us all about what to avoid.
> > If we would stop to talk about it, joke about it and what not, then
> > history is a little bit closer to repeat itself.
> > 
> > And this is exactly why humor and jokes should and is off topic on a
> > international list like this. It's not funny for all.
> > 
> >  - Titanus
> 
> It's not funny to receive tons of insults off-list.

I didn't do that.

> It's not funny, if a thread never ever will stop.

So I can't (or shouldn't) answer to a thread you wrote on earlier today?

> It at least could be moved to off topic list or at least not be
> continued by private mails to my accounts.

Why? All of this talk about jokes started here; it should end here and
not somewhere else where folk like me won't see it because we don't
follow other Debian lists.
 
> IIRC I apologized. IIRC I didn't wrote anything positive or negative
> to any of the last jokes. Did somebody call you sick? Did I call
> somebody sick who likes what ever kind of humour?

You wrote "I agree that sometimes comparing the Nazis with what happens
today is ok, Godwin's law is stupid, we need to to compare from time to
time, but in this case it's completely sick."

The point I was trying to make is that jokes rarely are universally
funny. You like jokes about men other people don't, and I like jokes
about Nazis you don't. That's fine by me and the reason I think jokes
don't belong in international gatherings like the present one.

This is, after all, a specialised list, not a comedy central.

> I just don't like never ending annoyances. But I understand what
> happens, the list gets half of the mails, I the other half of the
> mails and if I now write anything it does look like I'm an idiot.
> 
> Fair play :(

I don't see the game in this (fair play here is something used in
sports only, I don't know if it's the same in English), I see a
discussion about how we all are to talk to each other on this list, and
since I often finds really good help here, I would like the list to go
on, and get even better.

I also don't see how any of this makes you look like an idiot. I've
read a part of the emails you sent to this list and generally found
them informative and good.

This is not a critique of you from me, merely some observations I think
we all should consider when trying to reach some sort of consensus on
the subject.

My point is clear now, I think jokes here is a bad idea because of the
problems they can give, but I understand if others disagrees. One can
always use a good laugh, and I am always searching for new jokes :-)

(I just think they will give more grief than laughs here)

 - Titanus