On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:16:39PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 05:10:12PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 01:43:24PM -0800, Michael M. wrote: > > > On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 08:57 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 08:43:32AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > > > > > > > > > This actually falls into a similar category as one of my favorite > > > > > phrases ever: "There are no atheists in foxholes". > > > > > > > > Well, people do like to pretend that they are in control of the world > > > > until they realize that they are not. > > > > > > > > > That's something of a non-sequiter. You seem to be implying that > > > atheists pretend they are in control of the world. I would say it's > > > just the reverse: it's the theists who think they are in control, as in > > > "have all the answers." They look to one of several ancient texts, > > > purported to be the words of either a deity or prophet, and decide these > > > things are true, ignoring all evidence to the contrary as well as the > > > internal contradictions of those texts. > > > > > If you meet a Christian (I can't speak for other faiths) who thinks he > > or she is in control, then that individual is wrong. The Bible > > explicitly states on numerous occasions that God is ultimately in > > control. Of everything. > > > > Out of curiousity, could you provide evidence of something that > > contradicts anything that is written in the Bible? > > > > I know that this list has been going off-topic a lot lately, but could > we not get into a religious argument? Politics is far enough, but > arguing over religion is just petty. > > Everyone has their own belief, and let it be that way. Arguing over it > isn't going to help anyone, it's just going to create grudges in the > community between users. Sorry. He made a number of unsubstianted claims, including that athiests are somehow superior because they are all enlightened. He claims that religious people are stupid and basically use ancient texts are a crutch. Nevermind that the Chrisitan nation of the USA (it was founded as a Christian nation by Christians) has developed far more scientific advancement than the oh-so-enlightened athiest USSR ever could have hoped. Even if you restrict the comparison to the years during which the USSR was in existence, I am willing to bet that scientific advance in the US oustripped the USSR by an order of magnitude. I was just asking that he substantiate his claim. I am not trying to start a religious argument. If he has valid evidence, then I will concede the point. Though, I doubt any such evidence exists. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com
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