Re: Overwhelmed newbie
Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote:
On fredag 16 september 2005, 21:09, Antony Gelberg wrote:
Please reply onlist.
Errr, well, I don't consider this an important topic for the list, and
it is also rather rude to respond to a off-list message on-list. Please
refrain from that in the future.
I suppose it is. I consider it rude to reply to an on-list message via
It's because if people use stable, there is no reason to get burnt.
Oh, there is plenty of reason. Stable has its issues, as any other
complex software system.
Ok, what reasons are there to get burnt by using stable? The point of
stable is that it is very unlikely to burn a clueful user.
There is no reason to be overwhelmed by anything if the user is
willing to learn. I understand that Debian is not geared at newbies,
but that doesn't mean that newbies can't use it.
Well, speaking as someone who has his parents on Debian, I can attest to
that newbies can use a Debian system fine. I also speak as someone who
did his first Linux install ever with Debian. Been there, done that,
didn't get a lousy teeshirt. However, in my parents' case, it is
because I have made most of the complex, technical choices for them,
and in my case, it was because I was dedicated and had a good friend
and experienced sysadmin by my side throughout the process.
Frankly, I find that to be efficient on Debian, one should read many
hundred pages of documentation. I'm perfectly fine with that, because I
realized from the start that it would pay in increased productivity
once I'm up to speed. However, one must acknowledge that this is an
imposing task for most users.
So what? The OP didn't say he wasn't willing to learn. We could give
him the option.
Most importantly, this is _debian_-user. If you want to advocate
other distributions willy-nilly, it's not the place.
That kind of isolationism is something I think you will find very little
support for in the free software community. I think most people will
agree that we want to direct people to what is best for them.
Call it what you want, and I'm not looking for support. I can support
myself. Notice the phrase "willy-nilly" above. I didn't say we should
never recommend other distributions. I totally agree that Debian is not
for everybody. I do feel that we could have made more of an effort to
help the OP to use Debian before nudging him in that direction.
Otherwise a large percentage of new users' questions could be answered
with "just move to a distro that makes more choices for you".