Paul Smith writes: > how anyone made the original su, newgrp, etc. so utterly lame When those utilities were developed memory was so scarce that their size mattered. I could not have run many of the current GNU utilities on my Onyx. > ...and why no one bothered to fix them for all those years--is beyond me That's harder to explain. -- John Hasler john@dhh.gt.org Elmwood, WI USA