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Re: [Way off topic] the politics of ubuntu.org

Wim De Smet wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:16:01 -0500, Roberto Sanchez
<roberto@familiasanchez.net> wrote:

Jean-Michel Hiver wrote:

Roberto Sanchez wrote:

You missed on of the best:

"To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under
the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and
a time to pluck up that which is planted; A time to kill, and a time to
heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; A time to weep, and
a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; A time to cast
away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace,
and a time to refrain from embracing; A time to get, and a time to lose;
a time to keep, and a time to cast away; A time to rend, and a time to
sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; A time to love, and a
time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace."

This quote doesn't mention "a time to think", even less "a time to
question"... but if you started doing that, the bible - nor the quran -
would not stand for very long. Unless you start to "doublethink" of
course :-)

Ecclesiates 3:1-8

= bull....

What do you think "a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;" means,

I agree that the Q'uran contradicts itself numerous times, but there is
no evidence of such thing in the Bible.  Care to back up your statement?

Uhm many wars were fought in the OT while in the NT Jesus tells us to
turn the other cheek. Off course this can be seen as a correction or a
new development or whatever. In any case the views conflict.


You are confusing the issue.  Wars will be fought all throughout

"And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not
troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not
yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers
places. All these are the beginning of sorrows." Matthew 24:6-8

The "turn the other cheek" verse you are referring to is this:

"But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite
thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." Matthew 5:39

First of all, earlier in the same sermon, Jesus specifically states
that he did not come do destroy Old Testament law:

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one
tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
Matthew 5:18

Not only that, but if you read all of Matthew 5, you will see that
the sermon is given in the context of interpersonal relationships
and conflicts between individuals. Governments operate under
different guidelines.

-Roberto Sanchez

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