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Re: sarge?

On Sun, 02 May 2004 02:38, Carl Fink wrote:
> Of course (and perhaps properly) us "mere" users can't vote.  All we can do
> is bitch on mailing lists.
> My opinion is that Debian's absurdly slow release schedule is the only
> reason it isn't the leading distro.  Now, many developers (who own the
> project) don't *care* whether it's the leading distro, which I understand.
> The slow releases are also a great inconvenience to people who *use*
> Debian. In particular, "stable" is so out-of-date as to be unusable on
> current hardware THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME, which is frankly absurd.
> Sure, you can compile your own kernel and download from backports.org or
> apt-get.org and roll your own when that doesn't work and ....
> The fact is, only maybe .5% even of Linux users are going to go through
> that.  Why use a distribution if you are going to make components yourself
> anyway?
> I've been tempted to become a Debian developer specifically to propose a
> fixed release schedule:  Sarge becomes "frozen" every six months, whatever
> state it's in.  Period.  Unfortunately my current insane commute is eating
> all my time.
> --
> Carl Fink             carl@fink.to
> Jabootu's Minister of Proofreading
> http://www.jabootu.com

>From the average moderately dumb user point of view, I think the slow release 
schedule definitely slows down Debian adoption, for precisely the reason Carl 
said - much new hardware (which includes new peripherals) won't work with 
Woody.   For example, my digital camera and my scanner.   Undoubtedly I could 
download and install the latest SANE and gphoto releases, but I've tried that 
and run into snags which my limited time / technical knowledge can't solve.   
It's just simpler to install Fedora and (shudder) Win98 on spare partitions 
and boot into them whenever I need to.   Which then leads one to think, if 
I'm booting Fedora, why use Debian?   <g>
(Because I've got a stable Woody system tuned the way I like it, and Fedora 
is missing a couple of apps I like, mostly).    I'd like to upgrade to Sarge  
Real Soon Now   but it would be nice to have a Stable  version to make it 
worth the effort.   

As it happens, tonight I'm going to help a friend who's just bought a new 
Windows box and is curious about Linux, we'll repartition his hard drive and 
install a Linux on it.    If Sarge was 'stable' (with a finished installer) 
I'd put that on it, as it is I'll probably give him Knoppix and Fedora to 
choose from.   

There are quite a lot of distros out there 'built on' Debian, notably 
Knoppix.   I wonder if Debian is destined to become primarily the 'base 
system' for other peoples' more up-to-date, pre-packaged distros?     The 
only drawback with those distros from a user's point of view is that one is 
stuck with the more limited range of apps those distros offer, and installing 
extra apps is not always that simple.   That's why from my POV a reasonably 
up-to-date Stable  would be the preferred choice.


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