Hi, Thanks for your useful mail. This thread started to fill my killfile... :-) Am Mi, den 17.12.2003 schrieb Karsten M. Self um 01:21: > - There are highly specific filters and methods which can effectively > discriminate between spam and non-spam content. Activity-based > lists, Bayesian and content-based filters, reputation systems, > teergrubbing, rate-limiting, and the like. Yes, but. Why should /I/ install lots of software to enable others to have a mailserver on their DynIP? But, at that point, I see the discussion drifting away, since my expression was not against having "a mail server" (BTW: What is a mailserver? POP3? SMTP? Both? IMAP? A caching-only fetchmail with a just-inhouse pop3?). I argued against mailservers *without smarthost*. I also run a smtp that delivers my mails in the background and a cron-fetchmail that fetches all the mails from mailinglists while I am still at work - it's just the "direct" mail communication between DynIP and recipient I'm against. There should be a smarthost that's always "on air", always accepts answers, is still there in 10 minutes and has a backup mx in a different network. > > This is *not* censorship, by the way. > > No. It's arbitrary discrimination. You are not discriminated - just use a smarthost, drive 50 km/h and put your chewing gum in the dustbin. :-) Why should my server deal with undeliverable error-messages and no-reply from now offline machines or reply from a different machine that has "now" your old IP? > > > Oh yes, and blacks to the back of the bus, please; just be happy we > > > let you on at all. > > > > It's a weak argument that requires a comparison to racism to be heard, > > not to mention that it demeans the plight of those affected by racism. > > The similarity is this: a secondary indicator is being used to > establish an absolute preference for or against a specific activity. > Despite the known invalidity of this indicator in a large number of > cases. And the existence of more specific, accurate discriminators. If black people /would/ use the bus without paying, make noise in the bus or steal the bus - it would not be discrimination. Since they don't do that more often than others, it /is/ discrimination. A DynIP-mailserver /does/ indeed often(!) behaves more badly than a "normal" one. For example, mail to it must often stay on my server since the DynIP-Server just isn't online, has no backup-mx and it's more often source of spam. It's just a form of filtering, like spamassassin. Use the word "f*ck" and get 1 point. :-) Use a DynIP and get 5. No, it's not fair, since I like f*cking and I have a DynIP, too, but I prefer to drop 1000 spam mails even if one real mail gets five points. BTW: The discussion misses another important point: More and more providers block ports below 1024. Then you change to another provider? OK - but then choose one with a reliable smarthost. One never knows... :-) Bye, Ratti -- -o) fontlinge | Font management for Linux | Schriftenverwaltung in Linux /\\ http://freshmeat.net/projects/fontlinge/ _\_V http://www.gesindel.de https://sourceforge.net/projects/fontlinge/
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