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Re: I'm face Few problem , need suggestion

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:52:00 -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote:

> Paul Morgan <paulswm@earthlink.net> writes:
>> On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:42:21 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
>> You know, people are always saying this (about the installer being
>> difficut), but when I set up my first debian installation (potato), I
>> didn't have any difficulty at all.
>> Of course, setting up some stuff (like X) was harder than it is now, but
>> the installer was great.  I think it's just really a question of reading
>> the docs first, then thinking and planning.
> I agree that the installer isn't that difficult to get through but
> once you're done you're faced with a text mode login. When you're new
> and don't know any command this isn't very useful. I mean there's a
> huge step between that and having a working X setup, etc. On the other
> hand distributions like Red Hat, Mandrake, Suse, etc. once you finish
> the install you boot up into gnome or kde.
> I compare the current installatin process with the process of
> installing knoppix to the harddisk. 
> Knoppix:
> 1) Put knoppix cd in.
> 2) Boot. 
> 3) Run knx-hdinstall.
> 4) Partition disks. 
> 5) Wait 20 minutes. 
> 6) Reboot into kde or whatever X setup you like.
> Plain Debian:
> 1) Put cd in.
> 2) Boot.
> 3) Partition disks.
> 4) Get module selection dialog.
> 5) Get network setup dialog.
> 6) Get asked where you want to install from.
> 7) Reboot.
> 8) Get asked a bunch of other questions.
> 9) Get dumped into tasksel or dselect.
> 10) Get dumped into scary text mode login.
> Bijan

You are dead right, of course.  I keep forgetting that there are folks new
to Unix, even, installing debian.  Which is really great.

I have difficulty seeing a text mode login as scary, but I'm sure that's
because of long familiarity with Unix and mainframe OSes.  It's almost
impossible for me to look at that with new eyes.  And there wasn't much
if any autodetection with potato as far as I remember;  I had to know my
hardware.  But I've been hacking and building PCs for a long time, so that
wasn't a big deal either.

I guess I am *not* the person to help a newcomer, not everyone's an
obsessive geek with no life away from a computer.

And I sure as heck wouldn't want to discourage anyone new to Linux by
making them think, "Wow, he thinks this is easy, but it's really hard for
me, I'd better go back to XP".


"The number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected."
(The UNIX Programmer's Manual, 2nd Edition, June 1972)

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