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Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful (was Re: Look at



    It seems that Mr. Connor never paid attention to Sesame St. when the Count
was on.

On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:54:03 -0700
Alan Connor <alanc@localhost> wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ = 1.  First level of quoting.
> > From dfokkema@ileos.nl Wed Aug  6 08:41:46 2003
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ = 2. second level of
quoting.
> > On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 10:57:21PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ = 3.  Third
level of quoting.
> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > > Hash: SHA1
> > > On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 09:55:11AM +0200, David Fokkema wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ = 4. 
Fourth level of quoting.
> > > > Agreed. Although the 'very high' depends on the willingness of people
> > > > to answer challenges.

> > > I won't respond to TMDA challenges anymore.  Some spammers actually
> > > send out TMDA-like messages to get your email address, adding to the
> > > reasons why TMDA is inconsiderate at best to other users.
^ ^ ^ = 3.  3rd level of quoting, hence it was written by Paul Johnson.

> > Hmmm... very inconvenient. Of course, if it would _really_ have been
> > TMDA, you would have your own original mail attached to it. It now seems
> > that filtering is the _only_ solution, ;-)
^ ^ = 2.  2nd level of quoting.  Written by David Fokkema.

> > David

    Big hint.

> Ah! Another member of the anti-CR crowd....
 
> One second you are screaming that CR's  are wasting bandwidth and cluttering
> up the internet, and the next you are complaining because they don't include
> the original message, which as anyone knows, with spam, can be hundreds of
> kb's long.

    First off, you're responding to two different people as if they were one. 
Secondly David Fokkema has been on the pro-C-R side of the fence.  I do not
recall him ever complaining about bandwidth (unlike one Mr. Connor who
complains about PGP signatures taking up bandwidth).  Third David here was
pointing out what TMDA does do, not making a complaint about it.

> The CR's from MSP have Re: the_subject_of_the_original_message  on the
> subject line. As do the CRs from ANY well-designed system.

    Which MSP is not thanks to the numerous holes that have been pointed out
here. 
 
> Does that bullet-hole in your foot hurt?

    No.  Does the boot up your posterior smart?

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