i've tried both pilot-xfer (from pilot-link) and kpilot. neither recongizes it. my visor platinum works fine. there is the minor problem of the usb char dev not showing up til you hit the button. if i run pilot-xfer right after hitting the sync button, it works for the visor. treo just isn't seen. does anyone have any tips? this is a treo 90. -- Tom Vier <tmv@comcast.net> DSA Key ID 0xE6CB97DA