Re: the messy situation (was Re: About XteamLinux)
On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 11:36:24AM +0800, bounce-debian-simplified-chinese=foka=ualberta.ca@lists.debian.org wrote:
> Anthony Fok wrote：
> >On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:53:03AM +0800, hashao wrote:
> >> We could but I don't know if we want to. Do we want to position
> >> ourselves as the judge of Free Software in Chinese community? People
> >> will not like it and attack Debian as self-promoting.
>
> Nothing wrong for promoting Debian. As even RMS do it. But whether shall
> us paint ourselves as Free Software judge in China is another question. I
> personally don't think we shall step in (semi-)officially as RMS put it
> that the whole China copyright law is just a mess!
你说的是。我上两个星期不知怎的变得「大胆」起来，却也似乎不经大脑
就说话。你们说得对，Debian 不必当「评判」或「法官」，那将是自大、愚笨
和不友善的作法。我们 Debian 作为国内各 Linux 的「朋友」、「中文化同盟」、
「自由软件表样」等等倒可以。 ^_^
> And there is no even a safe or assured place for free speech in China.
> What can you really do in such a stupid place?
似乎有点_柏杨_先生所著的《丑陋的中国人》之感吗？ ^_^
这个我也有点百感交集，北望神州，对祖国又敬又怕又恨又爱……
这里不时听到中国政府对于异己份子完全不放过，全当作「政治犯」，
另外又迫害天主教等的信友和神职人员等，例如龚主教无辜的被囚
二十、三十多年至死。唉，为什么？中国是一个何等美丽的地方，
为什么连自己人也不放过？唉……
> And even worse is I don't think everybody are following GPL here. You're
> just too easy to be convinced, eh? That's not a easy one to say they're
> doing good now. Let us wait a while and see if they're abeying to GPL, and
> see if they could do qualified work as a Linux distributor as not to be
> even not capble to handle their pity silly little website.
国内的网费这么费，也勉强可以谅解他们的苦处。
至于他们是否真诚，如你所意味的，「路遥知马力，日久见人心」。
> And let us wait and going download their source and compile to see if that
> is the same binary as that in their CDROM distribution. That would be a
> tough battle with them lusers here. But who even really cares? Let's
> promote Debian for ease! The pitty thing here is in China there is no a
> RMS-like free software big contributor, no Bruce Perens here. Only, you
> all know, very pitty CEOs. THEY are standing for free software? Are you
> joking?
我很同情你的疑虑，毕竟以往国人对 GNU GPL 的纪录的确不好。
> >Good point. Perhaps the written could be signed "anonymous"?
>
> I can't agree. Anonymous is here in this case a just too-bad
> attitude, and too weak yah.
赞同。
> >Just a observatory article explaining that the license issues
> >in all major Chinese Linux distributions have already been dealt with,
>
> [No intention to offense. I respect your work.]
> But are you joking? You've just sent somewhat around 5 or six
> emails and say they're doing good? Does this message be
> brought to me by a word leading with letter C and end with hildish?
不错，我承认我是非常非常的幼稚和天真，而我上两个星期的建议的确
是太鲁莽。不过，我就是不相信我们中国人全部都是贪商、自私的人。
我相信自由软件在中国总有开花结果的一天。 希望在人间。
我跟几个国内 Linux 发布的 e-mail 通信，红旗的朋友尤其十分
友善地和耐心地解释他们的情况，也应允了尽力开放其系统及源代码。
SRPMS 已经暂时托国内友站主持公开了，八月后转换了网络连线后再自己主持。
现在更把本来是专利的 yh 炎黄中文平台的源代码和白皮书公开以 GNU GPL
放出来了。这可不就表明了红旗开发人员实践自由软件的精神么？
不错，我们还要「放长双眼」看，不要太幼稚。
但另一方面，既然国内的 Linux 商户一步一步的，越来越遵守自由软件
规条和精神，以表诚意，我们怎能不给他们回报友善呢？
"Honey attracts more bees than vinegar does." (or is it "flies"? :-)
循循善诱，总比一味指责的收效大嘛。 ^_^
我宁可天真一点，多点希望，多点信任；当然也不要太天真。
中庸之道也。中国人总有真、善、美的一面吧！四海之内皆兄弟，
我不信任自己的兄弟，还有谁可信？ ^_^
> >i.e. no one is breaking any rules any more. :-)
> If things are such simple, I'd guess Bruce Perens like persons are
> just doing FUD towards the opposite?
> The simple and straight thing to do is just forget them all and promote
> Debian, develope Debian Chinese support, raise people's awareness to the
> importance of Free Software. IMHO.
宣扬自由软件的同时，如果能够彼此互相信任，交个朋友，交流切磋，
共同为中文化努力，那就更好了。
谈够了，回去搞 Debian。 ^_^ 互勉之！
东东
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Anthony Fok Tung-Ling Civil and Environmental Engineering
foka@ualberta.ca, foka@debian.org University of Alberta, Canada
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