Hi all, Am 12.02.21 um 01:11 schrieb Thomas Goirand: > Hi Elana, > > Thanks for bringing this topic in the channel, and speaking with the > Python Steering Council, plus Mathias and Stefano. That's very much > appreciated. > > On 2/11/21 7:12 PM, Elana Hashman wrote: >> - When users install Python, it should be easy to install all required >> modules for what upstream considers core, including venv, distutils, >> and lib2to3. > > I understand that upstream python guys probably think the way to consume > python stuff is through venv, pip, and setuptools. I have a very > different view on this, and probably I'm not alone. > > We (Debian people) indeed prefer if our user can enjoy a packaged > versions of things if they are available (and that's not specific to > Python). In such a packaged environment, venv and distutils are useless, > as the distribution is taking care of all what these tools would do > without apt or dpkg. I do prefer my system to *not* have venv support, > for example. This seems to be in contrast to how Python gets used by many many people. I think it would be nice if up to date packages of all Python software would exist in Debian but that's clearly not feasible. Using virtualenvs is expected virtually everywhere where Python is mentioned. My 2 cents Michael
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