This one time, at band camp, Wouter Verhelst said: > Op 05-01-14 14:28, Joerg Jaspert schreef: > > On 13446 March 1977, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > >> I'm worried that this situation is harmful for the project. > > > > Yes, seperate development with different requirements than the > > production environment is harmful. It's a lesson that every larger > > company with an IT Department goes through at some point - and it's > > the same for our project. > > > > You need a development environment that is build and handled the same > > way as the production environment. Sure you need to evolve that, it may > > not stand still, with new requirements coming along, but you need to do > > that in close work with the people maintaining the production one, to > > ensure that the way thinks evolve is actually something that can be > > mirrored in the area it is intended to be run later. > > > > (Alternatively you can have a free-for-all run development and then get > > a third env, in which you then try to get to run the new release in a > > (newer version of the) production env). > > Since DSA is using puppet extensively ATM, wouldn't it be better to have > a documented procedure on how to set up a VM or chroot or similar > environment that uses DSA's puppet recipes to set up a development > instance? That way, people can make changes where necessary (while > obviously understanding these changes may or may not be acceptable), > don't have to worry about making a mistake and killing someone else's > machine (after all, it's their own machine), etc. If you prefer to run your own VM or chroot but want it to look like a DSA machine as much as possible, we do have public documentation on how we set things up. Our puppet is public: http://git.debian.org/?p=mirror/dsa-puppet.git As are our new machine setup notes: https://dsa.debian.org/howto/new-machine/ https://dsa.debian.org/howto/puppet-setup/ We're usually happy to merge patches. Cheers, -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | ,''`. Stephen Gran | | : :' : sgran@debian.org | | `. `' Debian user, admin, and developer | | `- http://www.debian.org | -----------------------------------------------------------------
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