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Re: Should mailing list bans be published?

Am Sonntag, 27. Oktober 2013, 07:58:03 schrieb Lars Wirzenius:
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 09:00:20AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > Le Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:46:41AM -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit :
> > > What do the rest of you think?
> > 
> > Given how arbitrarly other bans have been proposed, I think that the
> > outcome should stay private unless the banned person wishes so.
> I don't understand this at all. Are you saying Debian listmasters, who
> decide on bans, have been making arbitrary, and therefore badly
> justified, bans? In other words, are you saying that they have
> prevented, without sufficient justification, people from posting to
> Debian mailing lists? If that's what you're saying, could you give
> examples of this?
> I doubt it has happened, but if it has, that's an excellent reason
> make decisions about banning people from lists public.
> What's better?
> a) Someone gets banned from the lists, and nobody is told they have
> been or at least nobody is told publically. The person might deduce it
> from the fact that their mails never show up in the list archives, or
> that people stop responding to them, but that's not always very
> likely. Other people probably won't realise it at all. It's nearly
> impossible to argue against a ban you don't agree with, or the reasons
> for the ban, if everything is kept secret.

I always thought that if a listmaster bans someone from a list, he notifies 
that someone via mail personally? Isn´t that the case?

So it is not just a decision between a and b or black and white.

> b) Someone gets banned from the lists, and an explanation of why this
> happened is posted in public. Anyone can review the decision, and if
> it seems inappropriate, action can be taken. There is no room for
> insinuating that the listmasters are abusing their powers. If the ban
> was, in fact, inappropriate, it can be overturned, and the banned
> person's reputation is cleared.
> To me, b) is obviously the better choice.

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