On jeu., 2010-05-06 at 21:16 -0500, Raphael Geissert wrote: > Josselin Mouette wrote: > > If there really was a need for it, such images would already exist. > > They do already exist and are labelled "*Ubuntu." > > That's what people end up trying and installing after they waste their time > installing Debian just to see that their wireless and/or ethernet card > "doesn't work" (because most people don't know or care why it doesn't. It > just doesn't.) > > Trying to tell people that they need to download "something extra" to make > their networking devices work is not fun when they just wiped off the only > thing that was working: Windows. > > And for those suggesting one should modify the installation media: good luck > saying that to newcomers. That's why we have an installation manual, too. Maybe we don't advertise it enough, maybe we should add a large enough RTFM somewhere on download pages. I don't think we want to go back on the yes/no about firmwares, there was already too much noise about that. Situation is, no non-free firmware in main, what can we do to improve the installer. I can buy the argument about remote servers, although if they boot the installer, they should be able to get some files too, whether from a device if they boot from usb or cd, or from the tftp server if they netboot. For local, personal boxes, I really think plugging an usb key is not really that hard. Maybe we need to advertise the firmware.tar.gz more, even in d-i itself (like “that module requires a non free firmware, which you might find at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/lenny/current/firmware.tar.gz”; (or a shorter url if needed)) Cheers, -- Yves-Alexis
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