Re: Another level of agression ?
On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 05:42:35PM +0200, David Weinehall wrote:
> On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 04:48:35PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > Well, in the ever continuing witch hunt against me, i just noticed,
> > while i was working on a patch fix for the debian kernel, that i have
> > been removed from the alioth kernel team.
> > There was nothing in the judgement of the DAMs which mandated this, and
> > this is again the repetition of what has been happening since all this
> > time.
> You don't think it has anything to do with your behaviour *after* the
> DAMs judgement?
No, it has nothing to do with it. There is no justification for removing
me from the the alioth kernel team, and even less in doing so silently.
This is what started all this, over a year ago, the d-i team has
removed me from the the d-i alioth team, while my mother was dying,
without even trying to speak with me, later they did some stuff with the
ftp-masters to stop me from uploading .udebs, and then i got banned from
the lists, and then they restarted the expulsion provess.
Each time they did one more level of agression while i was trying to be
constructively contributing despite their agression.
> > This is now a call to all DDs, to come forward, with a GR if possible,
> > and put a stop to this, and revert the DAMs decision, which was a
> > *STUPID* decision, removing my ability to do technical contributions to
> > debian, while not solving the perceived problem of my mailing list
> > contributions, which was only a consequence of the repeated agression on
> > my technical capability to contribute to debian.
> You know, a contribution is generally regarded as something that adds
> value. Your repeated whining and finger pointer on the mailing lists is
> not contributing, it's called trolling.
Exact, which is why i ask you to oppose the current way of dealing with
me, which hurts my positive contibutions, and forcing me to only do
negatively perceived ones.
I ask thus the debian project, to revoke the DAMs supsension, to
reinstate my d-i and kernel svn commit rights, and to remove the special
case ban on my uploads, and let me be a normal DD.
Then you can judge me, and see if i still have something to complain
about or not.
> There was 2 mediation attempts between you and the debian-installer
There where no mediations. The first took full one-sided position with
the d-i folk, and put frans as judge of my good behaviour, while saying
nothing about his behaviour. I objected to this, but in the end played
the game, fixing over 30 bugs under the first mediation, and it only
resulted in frans bashing me in bug reports, telling me to FUCK OFF, and
finally asking the ftp-master to remove my .udeb upload right, *WHILE MY
RIGHT TO UPLOAD .UDEBS WAS DEFINED IN THE FIRST MEDIATION*
The second mediation, well, i challenge you to find something to
reproach me during its period which would justify the 2 month ban,
because half the DDs if not more have done much worse than i have during
> team. Both came to similar conclusions. When this didn't satisfy, the
> DAMs finally decided that you'd be temporarily suspended. Do you
Nope. When Frans or someone else saw my DPL candidacy, they decided to
play mafioso politicks and ask for my expulsion. The DAMS have not
followed their own procedure, have manipulated the requests, so the
reality of what happened did not show up, used mails from over a year
ago to justify the expulsion, and have not, despite numerous requests
from me and others, provided fully signed and dated copies of the
> *really* think that all your repeated complaints will help your case?
Well, what else will help me. As was the case a year ago, i was happily
trying to fix a bug, and *DISCOVERED* i had been removed. The same
happened for the expulsion, i made effort to go to FOSDEM, bring
hardware for the debian booth, proposed a talk, so we could discuss the
kernel future also with the d-i team, instead of the deaf-dialog that
was happening, and they chose to expulse me.
James Troup even spoke with me, fully knowing they would try to expulse
me, and said nothing about it.
The DDs have expressed a strong opposition to the expulsion of over
70:7, and the DAMs plainly ignored this.
> Really? Even *if* you would be the slighted part here, the best
> solution for us all is if you respected the suspension and stop your
> repeated off-topic posting. Spend some time either working on some
> other project (maybe you could contribute to Ubuntu's PowerPC-port
> instead?) for a while and return here after your suspension has ended.
Right, what would that gain ? In a year, i would again be the subject of
the harrasment and hurt from the d-i team or who know else, and at the
minor opposition, they will again come up and say : see, he is doing it
Also, each and everyone of the repeated complaints you critic was
preceded and caused by another agression against me ? Don't you think it
would be much more human and fruitful to stop those agression, and let
me work on what i like doing, and have earned a right to do with my over
8 year of very active contribution ?
> And when you do, please don't rehash this over and over again. That way
> you'll only end up having people more pissed.
So what ? What have i to lose ? The fact that we are having this
discussion only proves how stupid the DAMs decision was, and it is not a
stupid decision on their part, then something even more hideous is going
> Regards: David