Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided
On Sat, 28 May 2005 17:05:34 +0100, MJ Ray <mjr@phonecoop.coop> said:
> Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@debian.org (va, manoj)> wrote:
>> >> Why can't interested parties pone the consultant directly?
>> > Expense. Why can't consultants send in their email addresses?
>> Since they choose to only spend their time dealing with people who
>> are either in the area or are committed enough to spend the money?
> I would expect a listing on the global debian web site is not very
> interesting to those two types.
And why should your expectations of their interest trump their
prior request to be listed? Don't you think they know better whether
such a listing is of interest to them?
> Also, may the listing maintainers decide that they do not want to
> spend the resources (not just money) chasing hard-to-reach
> consultants?
A contact address does not neeed to be published. Are you
seriously telling me You have no idea how to reach Joey?
> I'm sure I read lessons from you about the problems of forcing a DD
> to do a particular task in a particular way. Why are you now trying
> to bounce consultants@ into following your view?
You have a funny view of the word "force". Hey, if you can be
forced into doing things by emails on a list, I have a car that needs
washing ...
>> Since when does the Project decide to dictate business plans?
> It hasn't. Since when do business plans dictate Project behaviour?
Nicely argumentative, but silly. The project offers a listing,
their business plan does not make the project offer it. The criteria
for listing seems to be arbitrary -- why should a contact email be
published? Since the person sends in an email to request listing in
the first place, that can be kept around as a contact address.
>> And why is the project discriminating against business plans?
> It discriminates against business plans that make debian work
> harder, just as it does in so many other ways.
It does not make debian work harder, unless debian also works
stupid. A simple text file in the same directory as the web listing
as the consultatns page can provide adequate contact information, and
can even be formulated to be easy to parse, to help scripting pings.
>> [...] Liking a policy, since one has spent eons of time crafting
>> one, is to be expected.
> You seem ignorant: to be clear, it is not a policy I shaped much and
> I definitely didn't spend eons on it. I responded to some
> consultations about it and I think it's the best offer so far. Like
> Steve Langasek, you have suggested no improvement or fix which
> doesn't reopen other bugs.
This is called trusting people to deal with things, and
stepping in when the result is obviously flawed. I had little
interest in the consultant policy, I trusted folks to do the right
thing. However, if it means that a listing from someone prominently
visible and active is gonna be dropped becausze it fails to meet
"policy", well, the policy has a flaw.
> I have not flamed you yet, despite your linguistic pyrotechnics.
You are very creative with your definitions, I'll grant you that.
manoj
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Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@debian.org> <http://www.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/>
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