Re: Debian UK (was Re: What the DFSG really says about trademarks)
Em Seg, 2005-09-05 às 12:55 +0100, MJ Ray escreveu:
> Daniel Ruoso <daniel@ruoso.com> skribis:
> > Em Sex, 2005-09-02 =E0s 18:38 +0100, MJ Ray escreveu:
> > > [...] I think charities should get some special consideration
> > > because law enforces some level of openness and honour not
> > > required of other organisations.
> >
> > I must remember that you're restrictive to UK law.
> Did you mean that as agressively as I read it?
Sorry if it looked that way, it's just my bad english writing skills.
> I'm not restrictive, but English law is what I'm most familiar
> with, so if I generalise brokenly, or you use another place's
> law, corrections or explanations are needed. Maybe I should
> have named www.charitycommission.gov.uk before, for example.
> Where do charities exist but not need any openness or honour?
> > In Brasil, for
> > instance, there is no such thing as "charity organization".
> Then no groups would get special consideration from that
> clause of my suggestion. What's the problem?
The problem is using country-specific definitions for a supra-national
organization. The rules applied by Debian to DUS should apply to any
other organization in the world.
> > So, a NGO (even a OCIP) is allowed to trade things, because the question
> > (in the brazillian sense) is if there is profit or not. I mean, selling
> > something for a value greater than the cost is *not* profit. Profit (in
> > the brazillian sense) is the value that is shared among share-holders
> > after the balance.
> That sounds more like dividends than profits to me.
Yes. A not-for-profit organization (at least in Brasil) don't share the
profits among the share-holders, I mean, don't pay dividends. It can
have, on the other hand, a super-avit (I don't know if this word exists
in english) and reinvest it on projects that met the objectives of the
organization.
> It's debatable whether DUS's meals and booze-ups is paying members
> dividends-in-kind or funding promotional events.
If promotional events are in the list of objectives, then it's not
"dividends-in-kind".
But what I'm really trying to say is that this discussion should not be
DUS-specific, but take into account other organizations around the
world.
daniel
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