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Re: Debian, lists and discrimination

Selon Matthew Palmer <mpalmer@debian.org>:

> > It is fact, not evidence. You cannot conclude it comes from discrimination.
> You can't conclude it doesn't, either.  We have several women on this list

I don't conclude anything because I can't get any evidence, and I'd
like to hear them from you.

> who are saying that they want to get involved in Debian, but for various
> reasons they don't feel comfortable doing so.

Which are? Please post them here. If there are such problems in Debian,
bringing them on ghetto'ed lists won't improve anything.

> > What if women don't want to spend their spare time in computing
> > activities?
> Do you *really* think that's the case?  I knew several women at University

I do think nothing, this is hypothetical.

> who were quite keen to spend their leisure time in computing activities,
> we've got several women on this list, and I can't think of any intrinsic
> reason why women would not get involved in computing activities in their
> spare time.  Can you?

Me neither. But again, I cannot conclude it is discrimination.

> > > Just because it doesn't say "no wheelchairs" at the door, doesn't mean
> those
> > > stairs aren't going to be a pain in the arse to get up.
> >
> > You *still* haven't come with evidence. For example, you could point us
> > to where in the NM process there is discrimination (of course, not about
> the
> > silly he/she wordings war).
> There have been several places in which issues have been identified in the
> NM process, by the people affected by it -- issues of not having any "feel"
> for what really, actually goes on (hence Frank Lichtenheld's recent
> description of his entry into Debian), and documentation which could be
> clearer.  Is that a good enough start?

Not it is not. It is not about discrimination, it is about political
correctness in documentation written in English.

Jérôme Marant

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