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Re: Debian, lists and discrimination

Em Sex, 2004-08-06 às 11:35, MJ Ray escreveu:
> > against non-icelandic speakers, it also discourages from people 
> > posting
> > in english there.
> As far as I am aware, anyone could learn more Icelandic if wanted. (I 
> only know my IRC nick's meaning in Icelandic.) Even if a man wanted to 
> become a woman, it is unlikely that they could do so to everyone's 
> satisfaction.

It seems that you are not aware that male or female is not a sex matter,
but a gender matter (which is very much different). We are not talking
about sex, we are talking about equal rights to males and females.
(do you really believe that everybody have the same opportunities?)

> > At least men are still allowed to post on debian-women.
> ...only if it is about "discussion or collaboration involving women".

That is what defines the TOPIC of the list. Usually, OFF-TOPIC messages
are not welcome.

> > There's no equivalent list for men because no one has requested it.
> So there is no barrier to any group? Would a listmaster create 
> debian-christian-middleclass-middleage-hetero-white-males only for 
> discussion or collaboration involving them, even if it has unpleasant 
> consequences?

Now that is *negative* discrimination...

> > will also point out to you some unrepresented demographics that have
> > lists. For example, debian-accessibility, debian-lex, debian-hams or 
> > debian-jr
> No, all of those seem primarily about making the debian operating 
> system suitable for use by those groups, not socially engineering the 
> debian project in the style of debian-women. I think legal offices and 
> ham radio are fields of use rather than groups of people. Further, I 
> suspect that hams are over-represented relative to world population 
> proportion.

What you didn't understand is that Debian is more than a group of
techical people doing technical things... We fight for freedom in
software, why wouldn't we fight for freedom for people?

> > What does Amaya's website have to do with anything?
> The email questionnaire was presented as a survey of DDs and I was 
> told my answers would appear on the supporters page, which they have 
> not. A copy of the email sent out can be seen in 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-women/2004/07/msg00247.html when Amaya 
> apparently gives up on it.

If you read carefully Amaya's website, you'll see that the site only
representes amaya's point of view. So, amaya is free to say whatever she

Many times surveys were made to debian developers, what's wrong with
this one?

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