Re: Debian, lists and discrimination
On 2004-08-06 19:46:17 +0100 Daniel Ruoso <email@example.com> wrote:
It seems that you are not aware that male or female is not a sex
but a gender matter (which is very much different). We are not talking
about sex, we are talking about equal rights to males and females.
(do you really believe that everybody have the same opportunities?)
No, we don't all have the same opportunities, but that's the
randomness of life for you. I didn't get the opportunity to gather my
own sand from Alum Bay when I visited it, but I don't think that's
really the point you are trying to make.
I don't care whether we call this sex, gender, female/male-ness or
whatever you want, as long as we both understand the idea. Call
debian-women genderist instead, if it pleases you, as long as you see
the problem of discriminating on the basis of some attribute we can't
change. If (as I have seen claimed), debian is disproportionate
because we are unfriendly (and this could be tested, couldn't it?),
let's work on developing friendliness, not genderist women-attraction
measures. I have encountered unfriendly women, so I'm sure they exist.
That is what defines the TOPIC of the list. Usually, OFF-TOPIC
At least men are still allowed to post on debian-women.
...only if it is about "discussion or collaboration involving women".
are not welcome.
I say that the topic discriminates against men. Further, I say that it
contradicts the stated aims of debian-women from its FAQ about
segregation on http://cytosine.org/~helix/dw/faqs/ "We're not
segregated. Debian Women is a subgroup of Debian that allows anyone to
join in and help."
So there is no barrier to any group? Would a listmaster create
debian-christian-middleclass-middleage-hetero-white-males only for
discussion or collaboration involving them, even if it has
There's no equivalent list for men because no one has requested it.
Now that is *negative* discrimination...
Yes, positive discrimination for one of two classes implies negative
discrimination against the other, whether for women or for christian
middle-class middle-age heterosexual white males.
What you didn't understand is that Debian is more than a group of
techical people doing technical things... We fight for freedom in
software, why wouldn't we fight for freedom for people?
I don't say you shouldn't, but I don't think a fight for freedom
should use the practice it claims to want to stop. Fight for freedom
for people by inclusion.
If you read carefully Amaya's website, you'll see that the site only
representes amaya's point of view. So, amaya is free to say whatever
Many times surveys were made to debian developers, what's wrong with
The results seem to be selectively reported. Amaya, please publish the
full returns, like you wrote you would.
MJR/slef My Opinion Only and not of any group I know
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