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Re: retiring from debian until end of february ...

fwiw, sven does great work on the ppc installer.

his absence will not mean the end of debian ppc, but it will slow down and
or stop development of the debian installer. so the new gui installer 
will stay where it is, and any funny bugs quirks etc in the installer
will not be tended too as we would perhaps like.

i dont know the details of the argument, though i am disappointed that
the leadership has not appropriately resolved the situation. but i think
it can be safely said that computer skills != leadership skills.


On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:28:13 +0200, "Justin Hartman" <jjhartman@gmail.com> wrote:
> All I can say, as I have no understanding of the history of this
> situation, is that it's disappointing to see the folk at Debian can't
> resolve issues.
> I recently move over to Debian from Ubuntu because they decided to can
> support for powerpc and I was hoping that the community distro would
> serve me better in the long run.
> A week ago I read about Dunc-Tank and now this and I find it all very
> sad. The community seems very divided at the moment (if only for a
> few) and it doesn't make good for the end-users like myself.
> I don't know both sides of the story but Sven I wonder why you even
> want to continue based on the few comments I read below and in the
> list.
> Where to from here with powerpc I wonder?
> On 1/2/07, Sven Luther <sven.luther@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>> Hi all fellow powerpc users.
>> Shortly after christmas Fabio, the mediator in the dispute between Frans
> and
>> me, made a very surprising post, in which he asked that i be banned from
> the
>> debian mailing lists for 2 months. Given the technical problem in that,
> and
>> the bad precedent it sets, i proposed a self-imposed no-post policy.
>> The discussion was mostly held in private, with the single exception of
> :
>>   http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2007/01/msg00001.html
>> which directly precedes this post. In the course of that discussion,
> many
>> rejected strongly this decision, some believed that this issue was only
> due to
>> my personal situation, others discussed how to address the more global
> debian
>> problem of the flamewars and so on.
>> Anthony Towns, our DPL, sole participation in this threads was to ask me
>> repeteadly to abide by the decision, and Frans Pop did post a mail where
> he
>> rejected a in-person meeting at FOSDEM at the end of february, and said
> he
>> would not accept any kind of mediation. Both these posts showed that the
>> mediation was probably doomed from the start, despite the good effort
> Fabio
>> made, and maybe his blundering helped show that any effort from my part
> will
>> be lost on Frans and the so called "leadership" of the d-i team. I asked
> for
>> Frans Pop's mail to be made public, but we will see.
>> So, where does this leave us ? Me, you and the debian-powerpc port ?
> Well, i
>> will still try to help as best i can, and resort to private replies if i
> can
>> help. I will take some time to reflect, and see if after there is still
> a hope
>> of cooperation with the d-i team, but if this fail to materialize, i
> will fork
>> d-i, and keep maintaining, with those who want to help me in this, a
> powerpc
>> port of it, and possibly a fork of the whole or part of the debian
> archive, or
>> at least the installation medias. We will see how things work out.
>> So, don't be surprised if i don't post here, and if debian/etch is maybe
> not
>> of the quality we could have hoped for on powerpc. If you have any
> comment, in
>> particular concerning the debian-powerpc mailing list ban, please reply
> to the
>> post above, so others will see it to, and maybe feel ashamed about their
>> handling of this problem.
>> Friendly,
>> Sven Luther
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