Re: Asking for DMUA: Yes while seeking first sponsor
[I am a DM]
Hi there,
Even this is against the spirit of Debian Maintainer Concept, I
believe this is because people are pragmatic.
Speaking of experience I had to re-upload 5 times the exact same
packages (GDCM) because in between each upload:
- HPPA uploaded a Java package with dangling symnlink,
- arm/armel updated the java package and libraries moved around,
- vtk upload a libvtk-java with dangling symlink,
- cmake was uploaded with a broken findjni.cmake.
ref:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=562775
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=579959
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=544674#115
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=544674#167
Thankfully I was under the debian-med umbrella, otherwise I would
have gone mad, if every time I would have had to search for a DD.
I completely understand when a package is being *first* uploaded the
need for a DD to review it. What I do not understand is that I should
go with this exact same process (which can takes a couple of days),
where the only differences appears in debian/control file just to
tweak some version number. I even had a case where two different DD
did the upload, I *really* think this would save brain cycle if we had
a lighter process.
For instance, I would really like to see a special DM-Upload-Allowed
+ VCS field (because I use VCS, I believe minor changes to debian/*
should be automatic).
I really do believe only the first upload should be manually
checked, and fixes on /exotic/ platform should not go into the main
category.
Thanks for your attention.
-Mathieu
Ps: I am fine with the definition of second class citizen, I just want
to make the process a little lighter, this will reduce frustration for
everyone.
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
<tolimar@debian.org> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I noticed that recently some people seem to seek first time sponsors
> while asking for setting the "DM-Upload-Allowed: yes" flag at the very
> same time.
>
> While I can certainly understand Maintainers want to upload their
> packages ASAP themselves, I would like to point out that I consider that
> quite against the spirit of the Debian Maintainer Concept.
>
> The idea is, that you convince an (experienced) Developer, that you can
> do your work on your own on a per package basis. As Debian Maintainers
> don't need to pass the regular procedures to check their "technical
> capabilities" (so to speak), the idea is to select the packages you are
> allowed to upload on a case by case basis. Or to give you an example:
> Just because you can package simple game doesn't necessarily mean you
> can package and maintain a shared library.
>
> So I think asking for DMUA:Yes while seeking an initial sponsor is just
> plain wrong, as convincing a DD shouldn't be a one timer. I therefore
> ask DMs not to ask to set this flag on the first upload, and DDs not to
> do so.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Alexander
>
>
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