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Re: Third call for votes for the debian project leader election 2006

On Wednesday 05 April 2006 12:08, JC Helary wrote:
> >> Considering the huge contribution from translation/documentation
> >> groups, if they are under-represented in the developer group it means
> >> there is a problem.
> >
> > I don't know, I do know that even though I've been doing
> > translations for
> > over 3 years I still haven't bothered with NM as I didn't need the
> > upload
> > rights, and didn't care enough about the voting rights.
> Ok, so let's consider people who care :)

it's not that I don't care at all, it's just that I don't care enough to go 
through the whole NM-process (though it seems to have improved dramatically 
since I first looked at this)

> But another hint for considering that uploading rights and voting
> rights have no reason to come as a set.


> > I strongly suspect the same goes for most non-maintainer translators,
> > especially since a lot of them don't seem to know that it's
> > possible to
> > become a DD without being a maintainer.
> That is correct.

but it's also a problem that we should be able to fix in a relatively short 
time span, by improving the NM documentation.

> > Checking the NM pages now I find that:
> > - the new maintainer corner ([1]) specifically mentions
> > translations as
> >   acceptible earlier contribution.
> > - the Tasks and Skills section on [2], is missing a description of
> > what's
> >   necessary for translators. Same at [3]
> That is correct to.
> Now, consider a place where the right to vote is given exclusively to
> people who contribute in a very specific way

might be true in practice, but it's clearly not the _intention_ of the 
current NM process

Though this is appears to be a fairly recent change:
last time I looked at the NM corner before this discussion (a year or so 
ago) it still listed "having a package in the archive" as a hard 
requirement. Whereas now it specifically adds that that is only a 
requirement for packagers.

> that excludes 99% of the people who actually contribute :)

that's definately still mostly the case, though no longer by design.

Proposed path from here:
1) work on improving the wording and documentation of the NM process so as
   to make it even more clearer that non-maintainers can become DD's and
   what the T&S requirements are for the different contributor categories
2) Try to get some get DD's involved in translation/documentation/... to
   volunteer as AM specifically for NM's that focus on those areas (i.e.
   start clearly working out different NM-tracks for different kinds of
3) Try to get some concensus on what kind of priviliges the different
   contributor categories need, and reflect that concensus in different
   granted privilliges based on the NM-track used (and add the
   possibility to get additional priviliges by passing just the T&S part of
   other tracks).

Cheers, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
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