On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 09:50:41AM +0200, Gard Spreemann wrote: > > Strong motivations such as "I use this package, seriously" are not > > likely to wear out very easily through time. Packages maintained > > with a strong motivation are better cared among all packages in our > > archive. > > I humbly disagree. Even from my own point of view, I may well be very > motivated to package something I use seriously all the time, > seriously. But then I see its dependency chain of 10 unpackaged items, > start thinking about the probability that they'll *all* clear the NEW > queue, and how long that would take, and I give up. In that case, writing to FTP masters or sending a message on #debian-ftp helps sometimes, but we still need to patiently wait anyway. In my personal experience, when I upload a large amount of packages to new, FTP masters are quick to accept that. I recently packaged something and uploaded 17 new packages, everything got in within a week. And I remember at the time of bullseye release, I had 52-53 (!!) packages in NEW and they did get `processed' in 3-4 months. So I do think that FTP masters react to maintainers when they push a good amount of stuff to new. That said, I also once had a package that waited for 11 months in NEW. In any case, I agree with Lumin's point here. > And then there's the > problem of attracting smaller contributions, as mentioned above: I > really believe that people get put off from putting in 30 minutes of > work for a nice MR on Salsa if they can't expect their work to hit the > archives for months and months (suppose for example they contributed to > a package whose SONAME is being bumped). Yeah, that's a bit of a bummer. It specifically gets discouraging for newcomers who end up waiting for a long time before their contribution gets in. > > Why not calm down, and try to do something else as interesting > > as Debian development when waiting for the NEW queue? > > Sure. That's what I do. My list of joyful and less joyful things to fill > my days with is enormous. **BUT: I worry for the project if our solution > to the problem at hand is "maybe just contribute less to Debian".** Is > that really what we want? Or maybe it means 'work on something else' while your package completes its trip in new and back from vacation. -- Best, Nilesh
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