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Re: Thanks and Decision making working group (was Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result)

On Sun, 2021-04-18 at 14:04 +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote:
> However, I don't think we're quite in a position to pat ourselves on the
> back here. This vote has once again highlighted some problems in our
> methods for making decisions. I think that we should set up a working
> group to specifically deal with voting, polling and project-wide
> decision making so that we can deal more efficiently with problems in
> the future.

Except for making a vote secret, what do you think the problem is?
Debian has an excellt voting system, why should we change that? Because some
people don't like the outcome? That is what happens when people are allowed
to vote. Live with it.

> While this vote caught a lot of heat, essentially it's quite a trivial
> vote. Ultimately it had become a question of if and how we should
> respond to an external situation. I think that as Debian grows, as the
> free software eco-system grows, and as software gets ever more ingrained
> in our every day life, the questions and problems we're going to face
> will become increasingly complex and that we should adapt to be able to
> deal with those as a project.

Adapt so its harder to vote for things that people might not like?

> Can we go ahead and set up such a working group? I'm thinking that it
> would involve mailing list discussions, video calls, sessions at
> DebConf, probably at least one GR, research on different voting methods
> that could be used, voting software, etc. Fortunately, we're not the
> only organisation in the world facing issues like these and we can make
> use of some external experts too. Although all of this will also take
> some time and effort so I'd really like to have you on board as one of
> the drivers of this project and also others who have a keen interest in
> this. What do you think?

Experts for what? Designing voting systems that prefer one option over other

Your plan is a major a waste of time and will result in a lot of useless
discussions and anger. It is not what the project needs. And if you'd have
suggested that earlier, I'd have ranked you way below FD in the DPL election.

If it is possible to vote, there might be results people don't like. If
people are not allowed to vote, its not Debian anymore. We have an excellent
way of voting and actually a good amount of allowed voters take part in
votes. Please take these useless discussions elsewhere, lets make a release.

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