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Re: Making Debian available

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 09:27:28AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> The installer with non-free firmware built in would, I think, be better.
> I know it exists, but last time I wasn't able to use it because I needed a
> testing installer, not a stable installer, for some hardware reason, and I
> couldn't find the non-free testing installer for some reason.  (This was
> probably my failing.)
No, this is explicitly failing of the Debian websites, specifically their
parts covering the ISOs.
Looks like the only sane way to get the ISOs is to remember the domain
that you used previously and so open https://cdimage.debian.org/ directly
(which of course redirects to https://www.debian.org/CD/), then navigate
to https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/, then choose between stable and
testing, to get either to https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable and
then to https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ or to
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ and then manually to
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/. There you
are supposed to read the opening text and find the usable ISO pointer in a
statement "For convenience for some users, there is an alternative
unofficial netinst CD build which includes non-free firmware for extra
support for some awkward hardware." (I think I won't provide any public
comments on the content of this statement).
I'm not sure how to find the stable firmware ISO easier than the testing
one (or easier than the way described above), as from
https://www.debian.org/, if you know where to click, you can get in 3
clicks to https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst which lists direct ISO
links. Maybe it was possible on the old design though (but I suspect not).

> I'm sure that much of this is my personal problem, but I can say that even
> a person who is quite familiar with Debian and has installed a lot of
> Debian systems struggles with the current set of options and has a hard
> time finding a path that works.
I'm sure that nothing of this is a failure of anyone or anything other
than the pages listed above.


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