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Re: sysvinit is still here, and here to stay for jessie (was Re: systemd is here to stay, get over it now)

The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> writes:

> I, for one, would be highly displeased if a routine dist-upgrade to
> testing required me to reboot to avoid having things break.

> I generally dist-upgrade my primary computer to testing about once a
> week, give or take, but I don't reboot it more often than once a month -
> more commonly three to six months, and I'd prefer that to be longer if
> possible. (And often when I do reboot, it's due to a power outage that
> overwhelms my UPS.)

> Yes, this means that I don't get the benefit of some of the upgraded
> packages (e.g. new kernels) until I do reboot - but nothing breaks,
> either. Given the inconvenience of needing to shut down everything I'm
> doing (including dozens of xterms, many with running programs) to
> reboot, and manually bring up what parts of it I can afterwards, I'm
> entirely willing to live without those benefits in the interim.

Speaking as someone who runs unstable on his laptop, power management has
not worked across a dist-upgrade many times in unstable during both the
current development cycle and the wheezy development cycle.  Usually it's
just that suspend functions don't work without a reboot (which in many
cases, such as a new Linux kernel version, makes obvious sense, but I've
had it not work a bunch of times when there wasn't a new kernel version),
but I've had the power button in the Xfce bar not work at all in the past.
So this is already the current state of play in Debian based on my
personal experience, and has been for quite some time.

If you haven't noticed, I suspect that you don't have as high of a
sensitivity to things breaking than you might think.  Or, at least, things
you care about have not broken.

Russ Allbery (rra@debian.org)               <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

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