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Re: SV: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

Andrei POPESCU dixit:

>Yes, I know everything in Debian is a package, but APT *is* the master
>of all packages :p


• dpkg (directly or via dselect) does not use APT’s system
  (well, not necessarily, anyway)

• aptitude has been known to ignore the view dpkg/apt have
  on the system, e.g. wrt. held packages, for ages

Vincent Bernat dixit:

>>> Why systemd-shim?

Wookey and I agreed on three levels of avoidance: hard disallow
(which would be -must-die), prevent systemd from being installed
(allows -shim) and prevent systemd from running (allows -shim
and libpam-systemd with its deps).

>I was hoping the author would admit the contradiction of requesting
>volunteers to code alternatives and at the same time reject them.

I do not request an alternative to… whatever systemd-shim is an
alternative to. I question why this thing is needed at all. My
sid desktop at $dayjob works just fine with systemd-must-die
installed, thank you very much. Okay, I uninstalled the KDE
metapackage due to the gvfs chain, but who cares… (or maybe
I could contribute a KDE metapackage that excludes systemd,
but right now things are in flux anyway).

(gnutls can also be used, but if you are compiling lynx for your own use,
there is no reason to consider using that package)
	-- Thomas E. Dickey on the Lynx mailing list, about OpenSSL

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