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Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.


It seems we don't have at all the same reading of Patrick post. Note
that what's below is my comments on your comments about Patrick's
comments, and do not represent my view (which I do not wish to express
it more at this point).

On 10/30/2013 07:16 AM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> the core content was that he doesn't think cgroup management is
> particularly difficult

The core content of Patrick post is that Lennart is using circular
thinking and is pretending that nobody but him can implement things. The
person who is being overly pretentious here is Lennart, not Patrick.

On 10/30/2013 07:16 AM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> it's not a very useful statement from a practical viewpoint

Did you find the part where Lennart tells Canonical is incompetent (or
anyone else) more useful? I didn't... And I don't think it's a bad to
debunk this.

On 10/30/2013 07:16 AM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> GNOME is not depending on systemd out of some nefarious plot.
> It's depending on systemd because GNOME wants to use those
> pieces of functionality systemd provides.

Patrick didn't deny that. He claims that Systemd author do not document
what the different modules are doing, and do not separate them, because
there's an agenda that is followed. Patrick isn't the first person to
write this.

On 10/30/2013 07:16 AM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Therefore, I think it's important for arguments against using systemd
> to somehow engage directly with the questions about functionality.
> Either there needs to be an argument that the functionality is not
> important and can be done without (which raises questions about how
> one would build GNOME in such an environment), or there needs to be
> some sort of plan for how equivalent functionality to systemd will be
> provided.

I'm very surprised to read this, when it appears very clear in Patrick's
post that he is working on re-implement logind (and the systemd API).
So, who exactly is denying the usefulness of the functionality of
Systemd/Logind exactly?

Russ, I would advise you to read a 2nd time this post from Patrick.


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