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Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 05:23:33PM +0000, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> (Also, do remember that any decisive outcome other than “support
> multiple ones including systemd” and “systemd-only” will need to
> lead to the removal of GNOME from Debian. I won’t miss it, but
> just saying.) Whatever CTTE and, maybe, the DDs voting in the GR
> should it be done, do, it’ll change Debian as we know it, I’d say.

The init system is just the first in various questions that needs
answering. Ubuntu uses Upstart and GNOME runs on Ubuntu. The problem is
the ConsoleKit vs logind (among others). The init system is related to
this, but not the same. You could choose Upstart and reimplement logind.

I find the continuous framing of ConsoleKit vs logind as "init system"
problem to highlight that a technical answer is needed. People who look
at the implications and provide a technical answer for that as well.
Currently if you only think of this as an "init system" issue, then you
could go for whatever; sysvinit, OpenRC, Upstart, systemd, etc.

At the moment the lack of making any decision means that things are
decided for you. E.g. from what I've been reading (and I could have this
totally wrong):
- Kwin might support Wayland by being a Weston plugin
- logind will soon contain VT switching logic
- Weston will soon depend on (unreleased) logind (for VT switching)

The question is not really about the init system, it is various other
bits. ConsoleKit maintenance for instance. Provide maybe an alternative
for logind and you make things a bit easier.

That a few people from the technical committee are from Canonical is IMO
logical. Obviously Canonical will have influence and people are biased.
Bias to me is just preferring something. I think it would be good to
have a well researched answer. I like the phrase "best decision at the
time". Sometimes it is better to choose the best *now* instead of doing
nothing. That maybe a long time later you would've made a different
decision is usually worth it.


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