Re: Please assume good faith (was Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME)
On 10/26/2013 09:17 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 12:02:00AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
>>> I'm fed up with repeated attempts to force components on the rest of the
>>> system, but that's mostly a fault of Gnome's upstream
>>
>> There seems to be a trend emanating from packages involving RedHat devs.
>> I actually went to the RedHat site a few weeks ago to try and get some
>> sort of oversight on this but there seemed to be no appropriate contact
>> point (bookmarked).
>
> There are various maintainers+developers who would love to see GNOME
> support Wayland and nothing more. This due to code complexity and test
> matrix (too many different options and it becomes difficult to test
> things). And we do do continuous integration, plus I had to deal with
> the bugs caused by the introduction of Wayland support.
>
> Various of above mentioned maintainers/developers are sponsored by Red
> Hat. I say sponsored because they pretty much do what they think is
> good. I have not seen any corporate agenda (I also fail to understand
> why we have so many of them). Anyway, they just don't want code
> complexity.
>
> The *main* reason that GNOME will keep Wayland + X compatibility for a
> long time, thus introducing more bugs and slowing down full Wayland
> support, is the same GNOME release team person who urged to support
> Wayland. He's sponsored by Red Hat.
>
> In brief: The person mainly responsible for allowing people to rely on
> our X support for a much longer time is one of those Red Hat people.
>
> Not sure if you like Wayland or not, but something to keep in mind, if
> it wasn't up to this Red Hat person, X support would be die much more
> quickly. And this decision is not made due to forcing, it is to due
> supporting one thing well, not multiple things a bit with various
> degrees of testing and buggyness.
If you don't mind that I ask: are you a GNOME developer?
Thomas
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