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Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian

On 12-04-26 at 10:23am, Jonathan McDowell wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 09:27:43AM +0300, Eray Aslan wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 03:23:18AM +0800, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
> > > I think Arto Jantunen explained it pretty well earlier in this 
> > > thread:
> > > > Reliability in the case of modern kernels and modern hardware 
> > > > means event based, not static. The hardware in a modern computer 
> > > > comes and goes as it pleases (usb devices being the worst 
> > > > example, but scanning
> > 
> > That's the thing.  Hardware do not come and go as it pleases on my 
> > servers and I do not want anything happening when someone inserts a 
> > usb device.  It's nice on my laptop but not on my servers.
> It comes and goes on my servers. I bring online new storage devices, 
> and change their sizes when I decide I want more space. Sometimes I 
> bring online a lot of temporary space and then take it away when I'm 
> done. These are production servers with Fibre Channel attached storage 
> and this is not a unique use case. Having to manually fiddle with 
> rescan-scsi-bus etc to see the new devices is a PITA and I welcome any 
> attempt to make this a more seamless process.
> Don't assume dynamic device detection is only about personal machines 
> or USB. It's useful in a much wider context.

Agreed it is *useful* in many cases.

But I also agree that it is not *required* in *all* cases.

I believe Debian still supports running locally compiled kernels which 
do not depend on udev, and that some setups do not require udev either 
(not everyone use fibre channel).

 - Jonas

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