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Re: RFC: OpenRC as Init System for Debian



On Thu, 2012-04-26 at 16:05, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
> Hi!
> AFAIK systemd supports startup notifications, even in colour - at
> least it did this last time I tried (a few weeks ago)

Yes, it does but on wide screen it is not so easy to follow it because
status (OK, Failed ...) are on the right end.

It would be better if the status are on the beginning of the line.

> Maybe your systemd version is too old?
> (Quoting Lennart: "We now show the progress of fsck at boot on the
> console, again. We also show the much loved colorful [ OK ] status
> messages at boot again, as known from most SysV implementations.")
> Regards,
>     Matthias
> 
> 2012/4/26 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle@coredump.us>:
> > On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 08:52:59, Patrick Lauer wrote:
> >> Greetings,
> >>
> >> in the last months there have been many discussions about init systems,
> >> especially systemd. The current state seems to make no one really happy
> >> - the current debian init system is a bit minimal and doesn't even do
> >> stateful services in an elegant way (e.g. /etc/init.d/apache2 start;
> >> /etc/init.d/apache2 start).
> >
> > After testing systemd some, I've now grown a new appreciation for the default
> > Debian init system -- because it gives visual notification of what's been
> > started, where systemd does not.  I'd like to know where OpenRC is in this
> > regard -- if it maintains visual notification at startup, that would be a
> > benefit it has that isn't currently mentioned at [1] AFAICT.
> >
> > I think visual startup notification is significant.  Often enough I find error
> > notifications during startup which I can then track down and fix, and if this
> > information is hidden then startup errors might not get noticed.  :-/
> >
> > [I do like that systemd can be loaded and you can choose when to turn it
> > on/off via passing 'init=/bin/systemd' to the booting kernel.  That and the
> > fast bootup time are nice.  Bootup time is not a significant benefit in my
> > case, as I'm using LUKS encryption with several long passwords to enter at
> > boot time.  :-P]
> >
> > ...
> >> What we offer you is a modern, slim, userfriendly init system with
> >> minimal dependencies. All you need is a C99 compiler and a posix sh!
> >> The list of features is long and tedious
> >> http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/OpenRC )
> > (Note to the reader: this is the same page as [1].)
> >
> > Some feedback on the page above: in the first table comparing system startup
> > types there are markers for notes, e.g. "no[1]" concerning Read-Ahead, but the
> > expected note details after the table seem to be missing.
> >
> >> Should you decide to switch (or just evaluate if switching is possible /
> >> makes sense) you'll get full support from us in migrating init scripts
> >> and figuring out all the nontrivial changes. Just visit us on IRC (
> >> #openrc on irc.freenode.net), send us a mail ( openrc@gentoo.org ) or
> >> meet us for a beer or two.
> >
> > For others looking to evaulate:  at the tail end of [2] I found a link to the
> > OpenRC Git repository [3], along with more documentation on OpenRC and how to
> > migrate at [4].
> >
> >
> >
> > [1] http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/OpenRC
> >
> > [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenRC
> >
> > [3] http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/openrc.git
> >
> > [4] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/openrc/
> >
> >  -- Chris
> >
> > --
> > Chris Knadle
> > Chris.Knadle@coredump.us
> > GPG Key: 4096R/0x1E759A726A9FDD74
> 
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