On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 03:39:11PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le jeudi 25 mars 2010 à 06:36 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : > > Which derivative distribution has asked for this? Speaking with my Ubuntu > > hat on, the sudden arrival of 3.0 in sid (yes, we knew it was coming > > eventually, but had no inkling of a probable timeline until it was already > > done) has been nothing but a hassle for us, requiring a sudden allocation of > > resources to let the Launchpad archive handle 3.0 packages /at all/, and > > leaving tools like merges.ubuntu.com broken for several months until someone > > could find the time to make them work with 3.0. > While it is interesting to know that the lack of Ubuntu involvement into > Debian can also lead to major breakage on your side, This is not "Ubuntu is not involved in Debian", this is "the status of 3.0 in Debian was in limbo for months on end and suddenly landed in dak without significant prior public discussion or coordination". The request for dpkg v3 support in bug #457345 first happened in April 2008, with almost no indication of progress until it suddenly landed in October 2009 - and, to the contrary, I remember seeing repeated comments from Raphaël on IRC during this time expressing frustration at the delays in getting the changes merged. Personally, I had doubts that it was going to land at all for squeeze given those facts. But even if the fault lies entirely with Ubuntu and you think Ubuntu is evil and should be disregarded in all discussions of derivatives (which comes across loud and clear in your message), I don't know why you would expect the transition to be smoother for other derivatives. > I fail to see how it relates to the point made by Raphaël. In the long > term, having a unified patching system *will* make things easier for > derived distributions. I don't see any evidence that dpkg v3 will make a non-negligible difference to this. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer http://www.debian.org/ slangasek@ubuntu.com vorlon@debian.org
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