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Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

Josselin Mouette <joss@debian.org> writes:

> Le lundi 20 avril 2009 à 10:26 +0200, Bjørn Mork a écrit :
>> I prefer non-broken defaults. hal defaults are broken.  No, the keys are
>> not always mapped to  standard XF86* names.  They are sometimes mapped
>> into the blue.
>> See e.g.  bug #504643, which explains my disappearing keys. Finding it
>> took some time, since stupid me thought "regrep KEY_RADIO /usr/share/hal".
>> would reveal any hal related problems.
> So, the HAL defaults are broken *for one keyboard model*.

Make that "for every keyboard I'm using". Why would the number of
working keyboards matter?  If you care about such statistics you should
probably use Windows.  It works for far more people than Debian does.

> Geez, without
> HAL your function keys wouldn’t actually work at all 

Well, it did work with acpid as long as the kernel supported
/proc/acpi/event.  No need for hal at all those days.

> for many models
> without jumping through incredible hoops or installing specific
> software. I can’t believe you think this should be encouraged.

You still need the specific software to actually do something useful in
response to these keys.  It's not like they are supposed to generate
some character in your terminal.  They are supposed to trigger some
action, like e.g. switching video outputs or enabling bluetooth.

AFAIK, you won't get around the specific software requirement. 

> There are bugs? Fine, let’s fix them.

Doesn't look like anybody really does that.  5 months and 4 releases
without fixing a trivial bug like this?  Looks non-maintained to me.

>> You don't seriously beleive that I'm going to trust hal while it's in a
>> state like this, do you?
> So you found one bug in HAL, and you deem it unsuitable for everyone?

No, I don't.  You really could need a copy of "Reading for Dummies".

*I'm* not going to trust hal. Everyone else should make their own


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