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Re: Is menu orphaned? (Was: Debian Menu transition status)

On Mon, 3 Dec 2007, Bill Allombert wrote:

Indeed another conclusion you just drawn was that I never actually
received your email. I am not subscribed to debian-devel, and I
did not post to that list. Instead I posted to debian-devel-announce.
My email ended in debian-devel for reasons I did not anticipate.
I will resend it to debian-devel-announce.

Well, my understanding of debian-devel-announce is that it is
for important announcements and debian-devel is for discussing
thise announcements.  That's why I suggested that somebody should
read possible replies to his announcements (even if I admit that
a CC in this special case would have been reasonable).

Generally, if you want to reach me, please email me directly.

Lesson learned. ;-)

On the other hand, I am currently lacking a menu developer with a good
understanding of C++, which delays the resolution of some bugs, but if
you just want to help me with menu QA, you are welcome too.

I had a look into menu code but realised that my poor C++ knowledge
is probably not enough.

The menu format that is currently used by nearly every package
was obsolated by the menu-2 format two years ago because the
information about was so perfectly hidden that nobody really

menu-1 format is not obsoleted.

Well, I admit I'm failing to find the quote - I probably imagined
to have read it was obsoleted.

There must be a first time for everything. But try

Yes, this is right.

grep "menu-2" /etc/menu-methods/*

My problem is that after 8 years the first menu file that is
actually using it broke a script in cdd-common and I have no
idea how to fix this because there is no description of this

I don't see how it is relevant to debian-policy or dh-make.

You don't want to tell me that #447389 and #447390 make no

I have no feeling about using menu-2 for menu file, but I recommend
it for menu-methods.

But why?

Thanks for explaining to this list all the trouble I had to
get through before discovering menu-2.

I don't understand this statement?

So how could you expect developers to adopt a new format if there
is no information about it?

By posting to debian-devel-announce.

After 8 years and without drawing the consequences to file the
apropriate bug reports especially #447391?  This sounds not very

Apparently one is not allowed to post a followup to a previous
debian-devel-announce post, even if it is two month old. I did
not anticipated that.

Well, my first posting had a delay of eleven days and both are
listed at


in the very same thread.  (BTW, I'm keen on the explanation why
your original posting does not show up in debian-devel-announce
archive but in debian-devel exclusively.)

Assuming your menu-1 file has a single entry, this is sufficient.
(Else you obviously need one ';' for each entry).

Well, to come to a productive suggestion: If menu-2 just adds
some syntax sugar that makes no real advantage - could we just
drop this new and unknown format?  Would this have any bad
consequences (except of rewriting some menu methods)?

Kind regards



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